Re: AsianAvian Birdflu

[John M <***>]

Tim, thanks,
I thought that this question will activate you into a
response online. You really provided a meaningful and
knowledgeable explanation of the situation. 
If you don't mind, I will not look up the URL so
kindly provided, because I don't want to have ANYTHING
to do with those (or other) flus (flues?)[let's settle
it: flu-s]. Influenzas that is. 
I leave it to the birds.

So my 'database' was wanting and both Judith and you
rushed to help me out.

My appreciation to both of you

John

--- Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:

> JohnM,
> 
> To add to Judith's comments, the WHO states that
> bird-to-bird transmission
> occurs due to both oral and fecal exuding of the
> virus:
> "Of the 15 avian influenza virus subtypes, H5N1 is
> of particular concern for
> several reasons. H5N1 mutates rapidly and has a
> documented propensity to
> acquire genes from viruses infecting other animal
> species. Its ability to
> cause severe disease in humans has now been
> documented on two occasions. In
> addition, laboratory studies have demonstrated that
> isolates from this virus
> have a high pathogenicity and can cause severe
> disease in humans. Birds that
> survive infection excrete virus for at least 10
> days, orally and in faeces,
> thus facilitating further spread at live poultry
> markets and by migratory
> birds."
> See:
>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/avian_influenza/en/
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROSEN Forum
> [mailto:*** On Behalf Of John
> M
> > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 4:52 PM
> > To: ***
> > Subject: AsianAvian Birdflu
> > 
> > To all listers experted in envirobiology,
> > zoocomplexity and other relational mental
> brilliance,
> > 
> > here is a question:
> > We all can't wait until the avian flu decimates
> us.
> > OK, we eat infected chikens and thus ingest the
> virus.
> > So WE beciome sick. We then sneez, kiss and caugh
> on
> > each other to spread the deadly virus. But:
> > How do birds become sick?
> > They don't sneez, don't caught, don't kiss and
> don't
> > eat each other. Cows got the madness by grassing
> on
> > infected pastures on what mad cows devoured before
> > leaving their saliva on the remnant blades of
> grass.
> > Birds don't graze. Birds eat in their privacy:
> find a
> > grain and eat it. They don't bother about the
> > excrement of other birds either. And feather is a
> good
> > protector.
> > 
> > Insects, Maybe? but in that case insecticides
> could
> > save the world? A flee-safe henhouse? Any ideas?
> > This may be a life-complexity question.
> > 
> > John Mikes
>