Re: Description of evolution, uroboros

[Dan Fiscus <***>]

Jamie,

I found it, assuming you meant uroboros. This is a
great symbol and metaphor! But it also reminds me
of my single, ongoing beef/gripe/difference with
Rosen. He talked of the unit of life as organism, but
I see it better-depicted as community or ecosystem.
As in his metabolism-repair model, and as in the
uroboros, it is not the organism that eats itself and
gives itself infinite (open-ended evolutionary) life.
But it is the community that does this - when we add
in that animals eat plants and plants in turn "eat"
animals, we get repair of metabolism, repair of
repair, and the infinite, unfractionable loop/cycle.
Adding that plants also eat environment (are
autotrophic, "self-feeders") we also have
unfractionable integration of environment with life
that adds with the repair of repair function.

This difference may help with finding applications
for Rosen's theory. His work may fit better with life in
its community/ecosystem scale of organization than
life's organismal aspects.

Dan

Dan Fiscus wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> By public url for the Rosen list, do you mean the
> archives? I think this page of Tim's is public and
> gets to the list archives as well as list main page
> and search option.
>
> http://www.panmere.com/rosen/mlist_archives.htm
>
> As for your comments...one question. What does
> "urobos" mean, where you say:
>
> "Robt Rosen had a thesis about life dynamics and all
> the different layers of organization inter-involved, that
> essentially is the urobos, applied everywhere without
> exception, including events and process-relations that
> are/were present but just not yet discovered through
> inquiry."
>
>
> Dan