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Re: Who is Robert Laughlin?



Tim Gwinn wrote: I think the reviewer gets it right when he says ?Laughlin's thesis is intriguing, if not completely persuasive.? I didn?t find it persuasive. There is alot of hand-waving and not alot of convincing arguments. This is one of those attempts to talk about systems and properties of systems that are beyond the reductionist paradigm, but talks about them from the perspective of a reductionist paradigm.
 
Hmmm, I'm wondering if the reason stems from a failure to ask the question; "Why are some systems more than the sum of their parts?" That's the first question that comes to my mind-- I mean, if some systems actually seem to be roughly the sum of their parts, but others clearly are not... how can the extra "stuff" be accounted for? And... if that extra stuff is what differentiates living organisms from whatever is not alive, what causes that extra stuff? What is it? How is it different from the parts? And... ultimately: Why does the extra stuff have that effect on a system?
 
The only way to adhere to the current mechanistic paradigm (the Cartesian "All systems are like machines" thing) would be to not ask the kinds of questions raised, above. But how can a scientist who has already concluded that some systems are more than the sum of their parts avoid asking those questions?????
 
Judith

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gwinn
To: ***
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ROSEN] Who is Robert Laughlin?

Judith,

 

I?ve perused this book at the bookstore when it came out, but never found it worth buying. I think the reviewer gets it right when he says ?Laughlin's thesis is intriguing, if not completely persuasive.? I didn?t find it persuasive. There is alot of hand-waving and not alot of convincing arguments. This is one of those attempts to talk about systems and properties of systems that are beyond the reductionist paradigm, but talks about them from the perspective of a reductionist paradigm. So the language and arguments is accordingly vague and like grasping at straws.

 

That?s my 2 cents, anyway.

 

Regards,

Tim

 

 


From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** On Behalf Of Judith Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:02 AM
To: ***
Subject: Who is Robert Laughlin?

 

Hi Folks,

 

Someone sent me a copy of this article, which I found interesting enough to share with the list. Has anyone here heard of Robert Laughlin? I hadn't. But he sounds like the next generation after Robert Rosen, to me. I'd be interested in your comments and perceptions.

 

Judith