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Re: Rosennean Complex Systems as Classifiers



David,
 
I can't say I'd really thought about this specific situation previously, so my remarks were rather off-the-cuff. As to who else I've read that speak of these things in these terms, other than Rosen (and to some extent, Kampis) I really haven't. Of course, with respect to catastrophes and bifurcations, Rene Thom's Structural Stability and Morphogenesis was a profound eye-opener for me.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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Subject: Re: Rosennean Complex Systems as Classifiers

Tim,
 
You wrote...
 
TG: As I think I understand it, flexible state spaces would - like the state spaces described in Ch. 4 of Life Itself - still suffer from the inability to encode impredicative entailments (the latter which I take as a necessity for encoding anticipation). I think that as long as the state spaces (that is, the original state space is "flexed" in multiple and various ways) can be transformed into each other mathematically, then there would be a largest model, a largest state space representation. If, on the other hand, the state spaces were incommensurable, then this could be a way to encode impredicative entailments (EL p. 294-295). I'm not sure if this kind of incommensurability falls under the heading of what you mean by 'flexible state spaces' or not, since I imagine such incommensurable state spaces would not be as if one state space were "flexed" into the other, unless such a flexing meant it went through some kind of a bifurcation point.
 
 
Well, whether or not you have the formal training, what you have said here seems like a state of the art filet of the problem.  It's roughly where I've been with the problem for a little while now.  Few have I read that come even close to stating the problem this way.  Who else have you read that speak of these things in these terms?  Flexible state space by way of bifurcations, nice.  Very nice.  You may have visualizations that are quite different than mine.  How long have you been stating the problem this way?  Top notch Tim, thank you.
 
 
David