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Re: Taking environment out of Man



SteveJohnson:

What would this principle say when applied to humans?
Clearly the environment that humans have created for
themselves in the last 5,000 years is vastly different
from the environment that is encoded in humans by the
evolutionary process that created us.
 
Exactly-- Our behavioral choices and options are radically different from what our models encode. Interestingly, some of the changes are clearly beneficial (basic hygiene, for example). Although even there, we have seen an epidemic of asthma which has recently been suggested to be due to humanity's penchant for being TOO clean with our infants, as their bodies are setting all their setpoints.
 
In any case, no matter how much we are able to give ourselves new choices, the  basic aspects encoded into our organization are unchanged: Gravitational pull, Diurnal (Earth's rotation) cycles, lunar cycles, seasonal cycles, density of atmosphere, etc... Why do humans require sleep, for example? I suspect it is because we evolved on a planet that rotates as it orbits the (single) sun in our solar system. This causes an alternating light phase and dark phase in most locations on the planet surface. Would life which evolved in a multi-sun solar system have the same cycles incorporated as biorhythms, etc? I don't think so. The reason we have the cycles we have is directly related to the fact that these are incorporated aspects of our evolutionary environment. Why is our blood the same salinity as sea water? Perhaps because we originally evolved in the sea. That's a much older piece of evolutionary information, though. Yet, it is still part of us, and the effect is a critical requirement for certain amounts of both water and salt.
 
There are many nutritionists who view the current epidemic of health problems (like type 2 diabetes) as a symptom that we have gotten too far away from the type of diet we evolved to eat. From the perspective of my father's work, we have certain nutritional requirements based on evolutionary diet and the modern world's switch to a diet containing so much refined carbohydrates is being interpreted by our internal models which are, of course, based on a very different diet.
 
Another example of this phenomenon may be the connection between food sensitivities and blood type. It is known that there are differences in nutritional requirements/tolerances based on blood type, which suggests that the evolutionary changes which are associated with those differences in blood type are also associated with different food availability in the respective evolutionary habitats.
 
One reason these internal models need to be studied is to figure out how the information is encoded, in the first place. If we could figure out ways to tweak our internal models, it would be a whole new world.
 
Judith
 

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Subject: [ROSEN] Taking environment out of Man

JudithRosen:

> So what it boils down to is that you can take the
> organism out of its
> environment, but if you want to understand the "why"
> of things
> regarding that organism, you have to recognize the
> fact that you can't
> take its environment out of IT.

SteveJohnson:

What would this principle say when applied to humans?
Clearly the environment that humans have created for
themselves in the last 5,000 years is vastly different
from the environment that is encoded in humans by the
evolutionary process that created us.

Is our predicament exactly like a labrat? The rise of
civilization took the human animal out of the
environment but it cannot take the environment out of
it?

Can we speculate that the high rate of mental illness,
obesity etc is the result of discrepancy between the
predictive models encoded into humans and the
enviroment that they have to operate in?

Every animal has some freedom to choose its
environment which in turn can affect the survival rate
of its offspring and hence influence the genetic
makeup. But it seems that humans are unique in that
the civilization changes our environment much faster
than the ability of the evolutionary process to encode
it back into the genome. Thus the discrepancy between
Man's internal models and its environment is
exponentially diverging. Is this the sign of emergence
of new type of individual?


Lastly, RR in Essays has a chapter on evolution where
he points out that in talking about evolution one
should be careful to look at the correct individual
that "evolves". That is, depending on what type of
evolution you're talking about it may be different
individuals that are evolving: the organism, the
genome, the ploidy of the genome etc.

Who is evolving in this case? The human society? It
seems like a good candidate. The society can encode
the changes much faster through laws, constitutions
etc. For example, the evolutionary enconded models
often lead humans to engage physical violence,
stealing etc but society imposes its models through
policing, legislating.

- Steve