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Re: where mind begins and ends



Interesting article, Steve. The first paragraph was a good paraphrase of the point of view:
 
David Dobbs, for "Slate," wrote: "Sometime in the next decade or so, neuroscientists will likely identify the specific neural networks and activity that generate the vague but vital thing we call consciousness. Delineating the infrastructure of awareness is biology's most difficult problem, but a leading researcher like Christof Koch, Gerald Edelman, or Stanislas Dehaene could soon solve it. Science will then possess what might be called a "consciometer"?a set of tests (probably an advanced version of a brain scan or EEG) that can measure consciousness the way kidney or lung function is now measured."
 
What interests me is that there is a translation of identification (which part of the brain, which neural networks, etc. are associated with human consciousness) with measurement (of consciousness)! I don't see how they are justified in making that connection. I'm curious to know how they are going about trying to identify these neural networks...
 
The second sentence is a real kicker: "Delineating the infrastructure of awareness is biology's MOST difficult problem." [emphasis, mine]... Tee-hee...
 
Actually, I tend to think he's right that science will home in on the areas of the brain that are associated with consciousness, but I doubt that specific neural networks can ever be pinpointed. Brains are not all alike, even within a gender or a culture. For example; It's been said that each human language represents a particular brain structure and the loss of each language, therefore, equals the loss of a unique point of view on the world. Brains can also change the way they process inputs, like rerouting functionality in response to injury. They also multi-link in ways that would defy any cut-and-sew approach to examination, which has been proven-- to any reductionist's satisfaction-- with memory studies.
 
But I have to laugh at the notion that they can "measure" consciousness, from any of that, above.
 
Judith
 
 

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Subject: [ROSEN] where mind begins and ends

This is one of those self-congratulatory reductionist
articles but still I thought is of general interest to
thie list.

- Steve


Sometime in the next decade or so, neuroscientists
will likely identify the specific neural networks and
activity that generate the vague but vital thing we
call consciousness. Delineating the infrastructure of
awareness is biology's most difficult problem, but a
leading researcher like Christof Koch, Gerald Edelman,
or Stanislas Dehaene could soon solve it. Science will
then possess what might be called a "consciometer"-a
set of tests (probably an advanced version of a brain
scan or EEG) that can measure consciousness the way
kidney or lung function is now measured.

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/



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