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Re: Causality vs Entailment



Tim Gwinn wrote: I re-read p. 10 and I see nothing to change my mind. On the contrary, even section 3G is entitled "Entailment in the Ambience: Causality". That to me says it all. And, later in that section:
            "In this way, entailment relations between phenomena are subsumed under the general framework of causality."[LI p.57, ital. orig.],
Also from page 57:
Robert Rosen wrote: "As philosophers have pointed out for millennia, all we perceive directly are our selves, together with sensations and impressions that we normally interpret as coming from "outside" (i.e., from the ambience), and that we merely impute, as properties and predicates, to things in that ambience. The things themselves, the noumena, as Kant calls them, are inherently unknowable except through the perceptions the elicit in us; what we perceive as phenomena, which are to an equally unknowable extent corrupted by our perceptual apparatus itself (which of course also sits partly in the ambience).
 
We can simplify things somewhat if we ask the more restricted question: is there any kind of entailment at the level of phenomena? Or, stated otherwise: does it appear to us that a phenomenon can entail another? The problem is still difficult, because entailment at this level is a relation between phenomena (just as inferential entailment is a relation between propositions), and we usually do not directly perceive relations. Indeed, a relation between phenomena depends on a double imputation: the first from sensation to phenomena, the second from phenomena to relations between them, Thus, if our knowledge of phenomena is already once removed from the ambience, any talk of entailment, or any other kind of relation between phenomena, is twice removed. On top of all of this is a further problem, that what we perceive is only a sample of what we could perceive and the problems of induction arising therefrom; see section 2C above.
 
It goes without saying that most of us can adduce the most compelling, convincing subjective evidence for believing that, and acting as if, there are indeed entailment relations between phenomena. But the question is rife for rampant skepticism; despite the combined efforts of countless philosophers, there is no way to entail the existence of such relations from anything else (i.e., from anything in the internal world of the self, or anything that the self draws from, or imputes to, the ambience). To such a skeptic, indeed, there is little to distinguish science from paranoia (which is basically a search for, or a belief in, entailments that are in some sense not there).
 
[In my copy of Life, Itself, I wrote a comment in the book, at this point, long ago. It reads: "Funny, Dad!"]
 
Nevertheless, it is hard to believe, for instance, that we could use natural language, in its semantic role of bringing external referents inside, if there were not a great many phenomenal entailments; semantic language by its very nature impute hordes of entailments to the ambience, without going really dramatically astray. For this, and similar (albeit subjective) reasons, we will suppose that relations of entailment do indeed exist between phenomena; the question then becomes not whether, but when, such relations hold.
 
It was, of course, Aristotle who associated the notion of entailment between phenomena with the question "why?" and answered it with a "because". Indeed, the pair consisting of the question "why A?" and the answer "because B" precisely asserts an entailment of A by B, and hence, an explanation of B in terms of A. In this way, entailment relations between phenomena are subsumed under the general framework of causality. To the extent that science is the study of entailment relations between phenomena, Aristotle correctly identified science with the study of "the why of things" and scientific explanation with the elucidation of causal sequences.
 
Historically, Aristotle elaborated his view of the causal categories in terms of human artifacts (i.e., statues, goblets, houses) rather than in terms of animate or inanimate nature or in terms of formalisms. Nevertheless, as we have seen, his analysis holds good wherever there are relations of entailment of any kind, even in the world of formal systems, where entailment means inference. Accordingly, his analysis also applies to the world of natural systems that populate the ambience; as we shall see abundantly later, it permeates the whole of contemporary science, though in such a shrunken and distorted form that it takes a special effort of retrieval to make it manifest.
 
We shall thus accept this view, that entailment relations can exist between phenomena and that their study comprises causality; hence science and causality are to that extent synonymous."
 
As I said before; causality is how science gets at entailment relations. It is our only avenue for learning about them. Until some phenomenon is generated by them, how can we possibly even perceive them? Thus causality ("what happens") is what we study. But we study it to learn about the underlying entailments. Do you see?
 
Judith
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From: Tim Gwinn
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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ROSEN] Causality vs Entailment

Judith,
 
 
and later:
            "We shall thus accept this view, that entailment relations can exist between phenomena and that their study comprises causality; hence science and causality are too that extent synonymous."[LI p.57]
 
I agree that we learn about causal entailments by virtue of the observations of phenomena of which demonstrate such relations. And I take the view that this study comprises causality. In my view, we have no scientific basis for supposing that there exist "underlying entailment patterns" which exceed those which we are able to observe either directly or indirectly (i.e., as in a "hidden variables" kind of way - see The Limits of the Limits of Science p. 87-88). If we have evidence that such additional entailment relations hold, then that is because we have phenomena on which to base that claim; that relation is thus part of causality. If we have no evidence, then we have no basis for asserting that some additional causal entailment(s) exist. By the same token, an absence of such evidence is not proof of the non-existence of additional causal entailments, so we always have to leave the door open to the possibility of uncovering additional entailments. Likewise, such additional evidence can lead to a revamping of our understanding of previously known entailments. I consider any such undiscovered causal entailments to fall under the heading of causality, as I would consider undiscovered stars to fall under the heading of astronomical objects, for in either case, the existence of either a causal relation or a star is borne out only insofar as there arises phenomena to indicate that existence, and such evidence places their existence into those respective categories.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Causality vs Entailment

Tim, re-read the bottom of page ten; the "summary" of the Praeludium, in Life, Itself. Causal entailment is what you're after, not causality. Causality is how we learn about entailment. That's our only avenue into the underlying entailment patterns, which ultimately (it is hoped) can teach us about Natural Law. There are many explanations which can seem to account for the behavior of systems in the universe and, in fact, this is precisely how science has arrived at the point it currently is at: both good and bad. Finding an explanation for causality that seems to commute in one kind of system but not another.... That's where we are "at" right now. Robert Rosen's assessment of this situation was that we don't have the entailments right.
 
Judith