Re: Recycling, Rosennean Style...

[Ayten Aydin <***>]

Dear Dan,

I fully agree with what you say. I have probably missed before the main
point of your statement. I also fully agree with your following assertion,
which supports my views cited in my recent post on Judith's views, also
addressed to you.

"Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the
only thing. Can we even do this ourselves? If not, how can we teach
anything about it?"

There are many things individuals can do and provide examples. In the first
place, we should start relating tightly to Nature.

My best,
Ayten



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Fiscus" <***>
To: <***>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Recycling, Rosennean Style...


> Ayten,
>
> Some replies:
>
> Ayten Aydin wrote:
>
> > What is then the practical value of trusting the nature's inherent
ability
> > to purify or transform the waste naturally? In this connection I would
go
> > along with Leo's view:
>
> I am not suggesting merely trusting non-human nature to
> purify our wastes. I am suggesting adopting the functional
> organization of life such that construction and decomposition
> of all materials is coupled, so the idea of waste goes away.
> Then, for the error or residue that is not recycled, I am
> suggesting trying to understand and then adopt the seeming
> magical property that even "waste" turns to gold over time.
> These realities (eg soil, fossil fuels) can not be obtained if we
> continual with industrial and mechanistic science based
> business as usual. We can only hope to achieve such beneficial
> environmental relations if we can understand life itself and
> learn to act like life itself in organic unity with home as our
> environment.
>
> > "I would imagine in practical terms there is more to be done in raising
> > awareness of 'total system accounting' than in any underlying
> > technology or science. " I would add:
> > with a lot and effective public education and consciousness raising
> > activities also with a continuing research to produce supporting
scientific
> > proofs and perhaps some remedial solutions.
>
> Agreed. And this list and Rosen's work seem central to this
> program of education and total system accounting. Better
> than cradle to grave as much life cycle analysis seems to
> call itself, William McDonough talks about cradle to cradle
> such that we have a true loop (impredicative/causal as well
> as merely material recycling loop). Perhaps even more than
> educating others, I think we know enough to start to build
> these values and functional organizational forms into our
> own everday lives. As Schweitzer is said to have said
> "Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the
> only thing."
>
> Can we even do this ourselves? If not, how can we teach
> anything about it?
>
> Dan
>
>