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Re: Rosennean ideas and development



Some general comments on anticipation...
 
JZ wrote:Anticipatory Systems is
explained in Essays on LI but not efficient cause. AS
states that current change of state depends on future
state.  I don't know what efficient cause is.

I just posted something that addressed "efficient causation", but I think a discussion of anticipation is warranted also. Bear in mind that anticipatory systems are also living systems (not just complex systems). Anticipation emerges as an observable of system behavior (in naturally occurring systems) only with the type of complex organization from which life also emerges.
 
The statement that "current change" depends on "Future change..." is a quick sketch of a much larger set of ideas-- it assumes you've already read (or will read) the detailed reasoning that was developed in "Anticipatory Systems" (the book). In that book, he (RR) described the behavior of living systems as being characteristically "model-based" behavior. He said their behavior could not be understood as "purely reactive" because organisms consistently and verifiably behave in ways that aren't reactive but, instead, anticipate future events. Since it is clear that single celled life forms don't "think" and hardly, therefore, consult reference materials, he said that logic dictates there must be some built-in mechanism which is responsible for this ability. He referred to this built-in aspect as a set of "internal predictive models" which constitute the basis of an anticipatory form of system control: a feed-forward loop rather than a feed-back loop. (However, this is not to say that organisms don't also have feedback loops and reactive behavior capability as well).
 
As such, he observed that certain types of information must be encoded into these models in order to generate the kind of behaviors he was trying to understand. Information about "self", information about "evolutionary environment"(context), and information about how both regularly change over "normal" cycles of time (seasons, day/night, etc), including sequencing information, rate information, durational information, and how these relational aspects influence all other relations between "self" and "context". But there is another aspect of time which must be a part of this control mechanism: the rate at which the models are running is either faster than, or is always independently ahead of, that which it models.
 
So it isn't the "real" future which is dictating present behavioral change, it is a "predicted" or expected future, based on encoded information within the models, which directs change in the present. The benefits in terms of system stability are obvious: a reactive mode of system control detects when the system has entered an "error state" and initiates changes to return the system to non-error parameters. An anticipatory mode of system control, in contrast, uses relational models of self, environment, and time (the relational aspect is critical; it is what specifies the nature of the interactions between "things" like self, environment, and time) to predict immanent/future changes in environment and institute changes in "self" such that the system will avoid being in an error state when the changes in environment occur. It's not a foolproof mode of system control, clearly. But it's far superior to a purely reactive mode. It's the only way living systems can survive radical environmental change like the winters in temperate climates, for example. I've said it before: transplanted living organisms that did not evolve in a temperate climate do not survive here when winter comes. They cannot anticipate winter because it is not encoded into their internal predictive models. They react to winter-- by dying.
 
How the information in these internal predictive models is encoded, how it is integrated with "real" behavior of self/environment, how it acts on system behavior... these are all wide open areas which are just screaming for one of you guys to pursue. I've been pursuing it on my own, in an informal way, for years, but I don't really consider that I'm qualified to generate "new science" in the sense of formally publishing any assertions (except as speculation in BioTheory, perhaps-- to spur on the "real" scientists to pursue these ideas!). I used to pass along any insights I had to my Dad, and was always gratified when something I'd seen in his work or in the world inspired new insights or integrations in him. That was one of my definitions of "fun" and HE was qualified! But he's gone, now.
 
This is partly what I think the list is good for... passing along various notions to all you qualified folk. What else am I going to do with them?
 
Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Zhu
To: ***
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ROSEN] Rosen, Kauffman and compatibility

It maybe that concepts are better understood by
relating them each other.   Anticipatory Systems is
explained in Essays on LI but not efficient cause. AS
states that current change of state depends on future
state.  I don't know what efficient cause is.

My guess is that the cause of current change being
based on future state is efficient cause otherwise it
is not.

The concept of "future" in AS is ontogeny concept not
phylogeny or anageny ones. The future states the
higher organism forms are indeterministic from lower
forms.

What are good texts to understand Rosen quickly?

Thanks

Jerry

--- Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:

> I agree that "closed to efficient cause" does not
> appear to be a sufficient
> condition.
> Tim
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ROSEN Forum
> [mailto:*** Behalf Of
> Howard
> Pattee
>   Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:57 AM
>   To: ***
>   Subject: Re: Rosen, Kauffman and compatibility
>
>
>   At 08:00 AM 1/29/05 -0500, Tim wrote:
>
>     Howard,
>     And your point is...?
>
>   No point. I was surprised that my memory was so
> bad. We apparently agree
> that "closed to efficient causation" is a necessary
> condition for life. It
> does not appear to me to be a sufficient condition.
>   Do we disagree on sufficiency?
>
>   Howard
>




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