Re: Rosen, Kauffman and compatibility

[Ayten Aydin <***>]

Have you consulted Rosennean E-Journal, Section 1, in which you may find
what you are looking for, perhaps. www.rosen-enterprises.com , tick
Biotheory box and 1-6 sub-sections of section 1.
Ayten
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Zhu" <***>
To: <***>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Rosen, Kauffman and compatibility


> It maybe that concepts are better understood by
> relating them each other.   Anticipatory Systems is
> explained in Essays on LI but not efficient cause. AS
> states that current change of state depends on future
> state.  I don't know what efficient cause is.
>
> My guess is that the cause of current change being
> based on future state is efficient cause otherwise it
> is not.
>
> The concept of "future" in AS is ontogeny concept not
> phylogeny or anageny ones. The future states the
> higher organism forms are indeterministic from lower
> forms.
>
> What are good texts to understand Rosen quickly?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry
>
> --- Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:
>
> > I agree that "closed to efficient cause" does not
> > appear to be a sufficient
> > condition.
> > Tim
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: ROSEN Forum
> > [mailto:*** Behalf Of
> > Howard
> > Pattee
> >   Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:57 AM
> >   To: ***
> >   Subject: Re: Rosen, Kauffman and compatibility
> >
> >
> >   At 08:00 AM 1/29/05 -0500, Tim wrote:
> >
> >     Howard,
> >     And your point is...?
> >
> >   No point. I was surprised that my memory was so
> > bad. We apparently agree
> > that "closed to efficient causation" is a necessary
> > condition for life. It
> > does not appear to me to be a sufficient condition.
> >   Do we disagree on sufficiency?
> >
> >   Howard
> >
>
>
>
>
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