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Re: Empirics and Life



Howard,
 
That wasn't really what I was asking. My question is: How does science empirically verify life as a quality or property of a living organism? It cannot be measured directly, so how do they empirically verify it? As far as I know, they don't. In medical circles, where "human life" is considered to be so different (so much more important) from other life, they've put a lot of work into trying to benchmark this. Ultimately, in medicine, certain physical processes are used to verify life. Many a time it has been reported in the news that someone was declared dead and was zipped in a body bag, and they weren't dead after all-- giving folks an X-Files moment, I'm sure!
 
But I also have a new question, based on your post:
 
HP:  I think of it like the epistemic principles in physics, like the requirement that all empirically verifiable models (laws) obey invariance principles.
How would you define an "invariance principle"? 
 
The reason I'm asking is connected to the first question above. Basically, empirics are slippery. They're context dependent, just like everything else. Literally: In the eye of the beholder. Empirics in science consists of a set of rules, isn't that correct? Very much like our legal system. Being able to prove or disprove something in a court of law is not the same as arriving at truth or achieving justice. Empirics in science is a lot like that, it seems to me. It's the substitution of syntax for semantics, because syntax is seen as somehow more "objective" and "invariant". But there is a big problem with doing that when we are evaluating complex systems, as we all know.
 
And yet, there remains a need to legally determine certain biological properties and various other issues that arise from the fact that we are living organisms. So my question is a real one: How does science empirically verify "life"?
 
Judith
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Judith,

I think of "closed to efficient causation" as a necessary condition to answer What is life? It is certainly a principle that empirically testable scientific models of life must satisfy, but I'm not convinced it is itself empirically verifiable. I think of it like the epistemic principles in physics, like the requirement that all empirically verifiable models (laws) obey invariance principles.

To me "closed to efficient causation" is still a very abstract image that I find hard to associate with observable properties of organisms. Maybe Tim can help me out here.

Howard

At 07:23 AM 1/27/05 -0500, you wrote:
Howard Pattee wrote: I do not yet see how the existence of "closure to efficient causation" can be empirically decided.

How is "life" empirically decided? Scientifically, I mean.
 
Judith