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Re: Rosen cf. Kauffman



Ayten Aydin wrote: How come could, these two scientists being contemporary and I guess knowing the work of each other, not think of  benefiting from each other and collaborate, if not when Rosen was alive, but now Kauffman could think of finding the missing something in the Rosen's work?? With all the knowledge around why could disciples of Rosen make an attempt to merge the two not close but perhaps complementary theories? Therefore, can we not do the same by to applying Rosen's theory into practice in variety of fields which requires organization as their central concern by making the whole system (mostly complex) function synergistically?
 
From the various summaries and quotes so far, my intuition is that while both sets of ideas talk about organization, Kauffman tacks the concept of organization onto the current scientific foundations, which is where his inconsistency comes from, I suspect. In contrast, Robert Rosen concluded the foundations were at fault in the inapplicability of models from physics to answer questions in biology, and he basically re-imagined the foundations-- around matters of organization. So, he would say that Kauffman's notion of organizational principles does not have a sound foundational basis to explain those principles.
 
Because of that, their work is actually incompatible even though they are both talking about the importance of organization. There is no way to "merge" them.
 
Judith