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Re: About 'Life'



Hi John M.
 
I have a few comments and questions:
 
 in 1997 the NashuaNH Complexity Symp did not even
allow Don M's lecture about RR - so he delivered his talk at an 'apocriphal'
dinner-meeting, where I for one heard the RR name the first time in my
life -
 
It is quite possible that the reasons for the resistance to Don M.'s lecture had less to do with Robert Rosen's work and more to do with Don M's reputation. It is also possible that Lewontin, et al, were connected to (or part of) the organizing committee, in which case my father's name is Mudd, just like Rashevsky's.
 

I wonder if I remember right that RR deemed the "what is life" the wrongly
formulated question? he rather identified 'living process'?
 
Not quite. He said the question "What is life" is both incomplete and conveys the impression that life is a "thing". He preferred the question "Why are living organisms alive?" because it's a more comprehensive question. In fact, he said that most "what" questions are actually "why" questions, at the core, or they end up becoming "why" questions, eventually. Also, I tend to think he wouldn't have defined life as a process. He would be more likely to say that life manifests itself to the observer as a process, in a living organism... but everything in the universe can be viewed as a process to some degree-- space/time plus relational interaction equals endless (continuous) change.
 
Atoms are complex systems and every bit as continuous, equally a constant, unending process within their organization, as organisms. So why are atoms not alive but organisms are? That was what he wanted to find out. His answer was that life is a collective effect of a certain type of complex organization (closed to efficient cause... unique, multi-level relation with time... functional entailments...  model-based behavior which he described as "possessing an anticipatory mode of control", etc.)
 
As he wrote in the Prolegomena of "Life, Itself" (page 11):
"This book represents a continuation, an elaboration, and perhaps a culmination of the circle of ideas I have expounded in two previous monographs: "Fundamentals of Measurement and Representation of Natural Systems" and "Anticipatory Systems". Both of these, and indeed almost all the rest of my published scientific work, have been driven by a need to understand what it is about organisms that confers upon them their magical characteristics, what it is that sets life apart from all other material phenomena in the universe. That is indeed the question of questions: What is life? What is it that enables living things, apparently so moist, fragile, and evanescent, to persist while towering mountains dissolve into dust, and the very continents and oceans dance into oblivion and back? To frame this question requires an almost infinite audacity; to strive to answer it compels an equal humility.
 
Ironically, the idea that life requires an explanation is a relatively new one. To the ancients, life simply was; it was a given; a first principle, in terms of which other things were to be explained. Life vanished as an explanatory principle with the rise of mechanics, when Newton showed that the mysteries of the stars and planets yielded to a few simple rules in which life played no part, when Laplace could proudly say "Je n'ai pas besoin de cet hypothese"; when the successive mysteries of nature seemed to yield to understanding based on inanimate nature alone; only then was it clear that life itself was something that had to be explained."
 
On page 15:
"As a first step in our assault on the problem What is life? it will be well to get some idea of what we are up against. Specifically, we will try to understand what it is about the problem that has rendered it so refractory to the combined resources of our contemporary scientific wisdom. This will provide one way of sensing the shape of the void we need to fill and at the same time will help set the stage for our further, more technical developments...
 
Let us begin by noting the very form of this question; we are asking why. We shall find ourselves asking "why" very often as we proceed. The answer to such a question (and indeed there are in general many ways to answer such a question) is to assert a "because." As we shall see abundantly later, to ask why is to enter the realm of causality, and to propose an answer is to posit something, to make a hypothesis. Although every physicist must believe in causality, this attitude towards positing a "because" was set long ago by Newton, whose proudest assertion was "hypothesis non fingo". Indeed, as we shall see, causality in contemporary physics has evolved into a very different kind of thing than that originally envisaged by Aristotle, a thing geared essentially to deal with the question "what?" and to provide answers of the form "this".
 
Ultimately, he concluded that while life is not a "first principle" in the universe... complexity definitely IS. So, what John Kineman refers to as "life" in that sense, my father referred to as "complexity". Life is a consequence of complexity.
 
I hope this answers your questions? Provoked some new ones?
 
Judith