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Re: Atoms as complex systems.



Hi Jerry,
 
I agree with the statement that there's no "evolution" inside an atom (although I don't know whether I would attribute evolution to "symmetric breaking" or even asymmetric breaking...) My father saw a big difference between evolution and other kinds of development.
 
I also agree with your assessment of the organization of an atom:
Inside an atom there are interconnections of interconnections and no
interconnection is more fundamental than the other.
You're speaking of relations, right? You're saying that the "interconnections" are at least as important as the particles? Which is basically the same as saying that, in spite of the fact that atoms have all different sorts and numbers of various particles, we are able to recognize them all as "atoms" because of some common aspect-- an aspect which clearly plays the critical role in making atoms "atoms"... namely; their organization. That sounds suspiciously like a description of Rosennean complexity to me.
 
At the subatomic level, the
system is neither simple nor complex.
 
I mostly agree with this, too: At the sub-atomic level, it's not an "atom". It's just the parts. This is what we get when we fractionate an atom. That's what sub-atomic means. It refers to the pre-organization pieces/components/parts/ingredients....
 
But I would argue that we don't know anything about the nature of the organization of any of those components other than that complexity is built into the system of space/time/other(?) that we call "the universe".
 
Judith

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Zhu
To: ***
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [ROSEN] Quantum Physics

Judith said "an atom is a complex system"

I disagree with this.  At the subatomic level, the
system is neither simple nor complex. There is no
things inside only tendency to exist.  it is statistic
system of potentiality governed by nonlocal variables.
There is no evolution inside an atom since no
symmetric breaking. Inside an atom there are
interconnections of interconnections and no
interconnection is more fundamental than the other.
Our understanding of it depends on what is in our
mind.

Jerry


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