Re: speed and specificity of enzymes

[Steve Johnson <***>]

I'm confused. I'm pretty sure that it is possible to
freeze and revive lower level organisms (e.g.
rotifera). Am I wrong?

- Steve  

--- Judith Rosen <***> wrote:

> Jerry Zhu wrote: we can freeze a bacteria without
> killing it but we can never be able to freeze a
> organism with a nervous system since the velocity
> measurement is lost.
> 
> That's fascinating! If it's true, I wonder if we
> should tell all those 
> companies that offer to cryogenically freeze your
> loved one, in the 
> hopes that one day, when there's a cure for whatever
> disease that 
> person died from, they can thaw the body out
> and.....
> 
> I think their logic kind of peters out at this
> point. They presume a 
> whole lot of stuff besides a cure for the disease.
> 
> I have a question, though... what about
> multicellular plants? What is 
> their speed and specificity situation?
> 
> Judith
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jerry Zhu
>   To: ***
>   Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:38 AM
>   Subject: [ROSEN] speed and specificity of enzymes
> 
> 
>   The positional measurement is only for 1st order
>   autopoiesis, unicellular organism. For 2nd order
> or
>   multicellular organization with a nervous system,
> the
>   measurement is not only in position but also in
>   velocity. Therefore we can freeze a bacteria
> without
>   killing it but we can never be able to freeze a
>   organism with a nervous system since the velocity
>   measurement is lost.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
> 
>   --- Judith Rosen <***>
> wrote:
> 
>   > HP and JZ wrote: "The speed and specificity of
>   > enzymes is ______..."
>   >
>   > Perhaps they are; I'm willing to believe that
>   > between the two of you,
>   > the truth is somewhere in there; about the speed
> and
>   > specificity of
>   > enzymes... But while this may help in applied
>   > sciences (like
>   > pharmacology) the questions that comes to my
> mind
>   > are things like; Why
>   > do enzymes exist? In natural systems, they're
> made
>   > by living
>   > organisms, are they not? These are substances
> which
>   > are capable of
>   > breaking apart molecules and rearranging atoms
> with
>   > other atoms into
>   > new kinds of molecules-- in a particular way--
> all
>   > without being
>   > changed, themselves, if memory serves... Enzymes
> are
>   > extraordinarily
>   > useful in living organisms and there are myriad
>   > varieties of them
>   > because they are quite specific in which
> molecules
>   > each type of enzyme
>   > can break apart and rearrange. The creation of
>   > enzymes is specified by
>   > the organization of the system as a whole. So,
> it
>   > would be the
>   > organizational information about enzymes that I
>   > would want to delve
>   > into... if I were going into a research career
> on
>   > this.
>   >
>   > Judith
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Jerry Zhu
>   >   To: ***
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:56 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [ROSEN] Why four categories of
>   > causation?
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- Howard Pattee wrote:
>   >
>   >   > I have suggested that the speed and
>   >   > specificity of enzymes
>   >   > depend on the uncertainty in momenta induced
> by
>   > the
>   >   > recognition (positional
>   >   > measurements) of their substrates.
>   >
>   >   Jerry Zhu:
>   >
>   >   The speed and specificity of enzymes is the
>   > statistic
>   >   cause (hence undertermined) of the interlock
> of
>   >   hypercyles and the interlock of interlocks of
>   >   hypercycles and the interlock of the
> interlocks of
>   >   interlocks of hypercycles. New interlocks are
>   > formed
>   >   from the spin offs of hypercycles and new
>   > interlocks
>   >   of interlocks are formed from interlock spin
> offs.
>   >   Hence the spin offs or divides are positional
> and
>   >   relational. Therefore the size and speed of
>   > enzymes
>   >   are controlled by the organizational
> contraints of
>   > the
>   >   collective of embedded interlocks.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
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