Re: sixth sense (and seventh, eighth, ninth...)

[Jerry Zhu <***>]

Judith,

To answer your question immediately, I would say that
women will still have long hair only become prettier.
This is another example to illustrate that the force
of evolution is not gradual change thro random
mutation under the pressure of natural selection,
rather it is life's inherent tendency to create
novelty.  I am lazy to provide rational on this at
this time for the limition of size of the message and
time contraints.

I agree with your life being anticipatory systems as
you described.  I would add that the unfolding of
encoding as well as decoding are different for
different orders of autopoiesis. What you described
about cell differentiation is that of cell.  The world
cells bring forth is different from the world the
organism bring forth.  For second order autopoiesis of
animal, the world brought forth is in linguistic
domain. for humans it adds the language domain to the
world broght forth. (for definitions of linguistic and
language domains see M&V's book "the tree of
Knowledge") The language domain has penetrated into
the linguistic domain and reduce the size of
operational realm of the linguistic domain.  There are
failed experiments to teach chimps to speak human
language by raising the animals with human childern. 
Animals do not have the capacity in their nervous
system to operate in language domain.

The mechanizations of the inner space has profound
implications for life.  Complex systems increase in
complexity.  Being composed of physical elements,
complex systems saturate at certain point. this
explains why life age.  The more "fight" with the
context, the more activities the complex system, the
faster the aging process.  This is evidenced that fast
moving animals have short life than slow moving
animals.  See how long a turtle can live.  Huamn's
life span has steadly increased for the reason that
the activity of human body to fight with context has
reduced.  It also explains why althelets usually have
shorter life than non althelets.  There is a new book
written by German scientists saying that the secrete
of having a long life is being lazy, the best exercise
is to laugh that has not side effect.

The world brought forth by cells is even more
fascinating. It is clear evidence that life is much
less a competitive  struggle for survival than a
triumph of cooperation and creativity. Cells, or more
appropriate baterias, mechnize their inner world
through cooperation of a population of billions.  It
operates purly in linguistic domain that is
incomprehensive by its product, the second order
autopoiesis in principle.  We never understand
completely the world brough forth thro the cooperation
of billions simply because the cells operate in
linguistic domain instead of language domain. In
contrast, it is possible for the third order
autopoiesis the social system to understand itself
completely in principle since its components, the
organisms, operate in language domain.

Life in its course of evolution has invented
tremondous technologies such as photosynthesis,
respiration.  Very few are understood, copied, and
utilized. It is reported to create a earthquike
worning system. I bet it is different technology
invented by life emboidied in animals.

Jerry




--- Judith Rosen <***> wrote:

> Jerry Zhu wrote: "I predict five thousand years or
> more later no men 
> has hair."
> 
> What about women?
> 
> (Sorry, I couldn't resist!!!)
> 
> Seriously; I have to say that I think there's more
> to living 
> interaction with self and environment for any
> organism than just the 
> inner and outer, as you described in your post.
> Anticipatory Systems 
> Theory posits that living systems possess and
> utilize encoded 
> information (models) of themselves and their
> environment that includes 
> aspects of time such that the models generate
> predictive conditions 
> for what they model, based on present conditions,
> and this collective 
> capability acts as an anticipatory control system
> within the organism 
> as a whole. If that's so, then what's "inner" and
> what's "outer" 
> depends entirely on context.
> 
> For example, if something were to shift
> configuration, the way 
> proteins fold or a developing embryo changes its
> configuration from a 
> hollow ball of cells to the stage that begins main
> differentiation... 
> what's inner and what's outer will not be a
> constant. It will also 
> depend on where you're looking at it from. Each has
> aspects of the 
> other because it's another one of those "they entail
> each other" 
> scenarios. In other words, there is no "inner"
> unless there's "outer".
> 
> However, I agree that humanity has become far more
> dependent on 
> technological systems of systems of systems which we
> originally 
> created to augment our natural capabilities, but
> which are now eroding 
> those natural abilities. (There's a "side-effect"
> for you!) If the 
> trend were to continue at the same rate, we may end
> up replacing our 
> natural abilities with mechanical substitutes. What
> a scary thought! 
> Luckily, very little in this world goes as planned
> or expected. So, 
> while that's a pain in the ___  and we usually
> complain about it... it 
> may end up saving us.
> 
> Judith
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jerry Zhu
>   To: ***
>   Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 4:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ROSEN] sixth sense (and seventh,
> eighth, ninth...)
> 
> 
>   The world animals bring forth has much richer
>   interactions with their context.  I characterize
> the
>   world of interaction having inner surface and
> outer
>   surface.  The inner one is physical one (direct
> bodily
>   entanglment with context) such as taking in food,
>   keeping warm, avoiding danger, having fun etc. The
>   outer surface is abstract or intellectual one.
>   Human's can reach to the Moon which monkeys' can
> only
>   reach to trees. The larger the world, the more
>   mechnized the inner surface, the less struggle the
>   body has to fight with its environment. Human's
> inner
>   surface is ever simpler and mechanized.  No need
> for
>   fur to keep warm, eat cooked food easy for our
>   stomach, staying indoor, travel with vhiecles.
> Animals
>   have to use their own body to fight with the
>   environment for all these.  It is no supprise that
>   they can escape the tsunami for their bodily
>   complexity that human has degenerated.  I predict
> five
>   thousand years or more later no men has hair.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
> 
> 


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