[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]   [Date Index] [Thread Index] [Author Index

Re: simulation vs. mimesis



Judith,
 
Ahhh, now I think I see what you are saying. I myself would not call such a model also a simulation, for a couple of reasons.
 
First of all, I gotta be nitpicky. Rosen's definition of 'simulation' relies upon the concept of 'machine'. The toy airplane could not be a simulation since it does not consist of a program running on a computer.
 
Instead, it could be called a simulacrum, if the relation we are attempting to establish is between the overall behavior of the toy plane and the corresponding behavior of the real plane, without regard to establishing any synonymy of entailment relations between them.
 
But if we are to consider the toy plane a model (an analog, as opposed to a formal model), then I would prefer to say not that the toy models some aspects of a real plane and simulates others; but rather, that we choose observables such that those observables are the ones we wish to model. If we put lead weights at certain places on the toy plane in order to act as substitutes for the weights of luggage, pilots, passengers, etc. on the real plane then we have established a correspondence between the observables of aggregate values, and locations, of these masses. I suppose we could equally say that those lead weights are simulacra for the distinct masses in the real plane, but the reason that they suffice is really because of the choice of observables we make for the sake of that particular modeling relation. (This would be typical in cases where we don't care about modelling any entailment relations between, say, the seperate pieces of luggage - we don't need that level of detail. Some other models, which must include, say, shifting center of gravity due to loose luggage containers accelerated by sudden dives due to windshear might require different observables and therefore would not use aggregate values of total luggage weight in those MRs.)  I just think the terms simulacra/simulation for these kinds of observables clouds the issue.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:***On Behalf Of Judith Rosen
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:48 PM
To: ***
Subject: Re: simulation vs. mimesis

 Jack Park wrote: From my, possibly naive, Rosennean view, it seems to me that the entailment structures map to each other.
 
Once again, it matters what you want "the model" to do. If you want a rough commutativity between the real airplane and the model such that thrust plus wingshape, plus ? equals, whatever... then you have a modeling relation. I was thinking about the kinds of things like pilot inside airplane, small moving parts in engine and flammable fueltanks on board, passengers and luggage and the exigencies of how to balance all that such that you can still become airborne and remain stable, the density of atmosphere at whatever altitude the plane is supposed to fly, how to compensate for thin atmosphere inside the cabin, what safeties are in place for various weather conditions, etc... none of which are engineered into the toy airplane. It's different, contextually. It models some aspects of airplane flight, but simulates others. How's that?!
 
Judith