Re: Operational Closure

[Howard Pattee <***>]

Tim wrote:
All that sits on the natural system side of the modelling relation are
percepts (perceived phenomena) and the relations between them. There is no
'acceleration' or 'velocity' in the external world.

HP: This near-solipsistic view would also require that there is no matter or forces in 
the external world. I agree that this metaphysical belief is logically consistent and 
empirically irrefutable, and consequently not profitably discussed much further. My 
feeling is that both Rosen and I believe in a more real existence corresponding to these 
observables that is also logically consistent and empirically irrefutable.  

Howard