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Re: Operational Closure



Yes indeed. Thanks for clarifying that, Judith. Howard conveniently provided the quote I had in mind when I wrote that:
"However, there is nothing in the relational strategy that is unphysical, in the sense of "ideal" physics. The organization of a natural system (and in particular, of a biological organism) is at least as much a part of its material reality as the specific particles that constitute it at a given time, perhaps indeed more so. As such, it can be modeled or described, in full accord with Natural Law; the resulting formalisms have at least as much right to be called images of material reality as any reductionistic model based on states and dynamical laws." (LI, p. 119-120, ital. orig.)
Regards,
Tim
 
 
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Subject: Re: Operational Closure

Tim is correct in his analysis, however there is one language issue that always confuses me, so I thought perhaps I'd point it out. The word "physical" has two equally logical potential meanings in this sentence:
 
Tim Gwinn wrote: I don't think of Rosen as "more of a Platonist" because he focused on system
organization. I think his argument was quite the opposite: that organization
was as physical as anything else, and therefore models of organization were
valid models, and belonged to an expanded view of physics.
Except one of them would be wrong. Time clearly meant the other one, which makes his statement consistent with my father's view. One synonym of "physical" is "material". The other is an extension of the word "physics" and the synonym is "physics-based".
 
It would be more accurate to say that my father's contention was that organization is as scientific a concept as those that physics embraces, and ought to be part of physics.
 
Judith
PS: The term PhD stands for Physical Doctor, whereas MD stands for Medical Doctor. When I first learned that, my response was "What's the difference? Medical doctors do physicals..."
 
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