Re: Operational Closure

[Tim Gwinn <***>]

JohnM,

Where you say:
> I am seeking those general distinctions that are applicable at any level.

Maybe I misinterpret, but that seems to imply a presupposition that there in
fact do exist general distinctions which are applicable to any organization.
This seems to me it would place a precondition on the nature of ALL
organizations and some universal qualities or properties they must share.
But....what if organizations of different types simply do *not* have
distinctions that are applicable at other levels? I see no reason the
universe ought to be limited to that kind of construction.

Just a thought.

Regards,
Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of John M
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:26 PM
> To: ***
> Subject: Re: Operational Closure
>
>
> Tim and Judith:
>
> "A" cause is chosen from and for a limited model. It is the
> natural system's
> total change that results in an 'event' and I wouldn't even call the
> triggering  (good word!) as a 'beginning', rather as the observed
> immediate
> 'affectings'.
> It is also a consequence of the process in the totality. And I
> would cut out
> the limited view for a M-V 'system' ("subset").
>
> Organizations consist of organizations consist of organizations -
> our view.\
> I am seeking those general distinctions that are applicable at any level.
> I don't care if Org.#1 consists of people, of cells, of atoms, of stars?
> all these are well defined (limited) models and subject to general
> principles.
>
> John Mikes
> (Happy to see the list alive again).