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Re: Dr. Gilbert Ling, "The Physical Basis of Life"



Tim, thanks for the memory.
In earlier decades (before I started to 'think' - or - while I was working in aqueous medium <G>) my ion exchangers pushed me into speculations about hydration of nonaqueous 'molecules', surfaes, sites, whatever.
You know: called hydrophilic/phobic. The 11-19 A hydrate space was a common item, with even more than 'one' thickness of aqueous distance between sites (checked by electron microscope, I had to make a circumventing new method, to get results in the high vacuum of the EM.)
For the unimpeded minds: look at a 1 % gelatin gel, below 37C, it is a jelly. Heat it up: it flows away. Same with pectin, etc., w/ approriate % of the solute. My polymers were less sophisticated than proteins, so more regularity could be established in such behavior, I made 'technology' out of it, working on temperature-levels to control the amount of the bound (structured?) water. (In hydrometallurgy etc.).
However, in the 60s there was a big brouhaha about a Russian invention of 'poly-water', (SU advertised) what nobody else could reproduce. This "structured water"  was identified in rigorous repetitions by western scientists as having a slight impurity, imparting the 'structural' stature.
 
Why I have doubts about the article?
It may be OK, 'good science', but in water technology incredibly small additives can cause fantastic effects (this comes from a time, when 'chaos' was only applied to the Greek mythology). E.g. in the beet-sugar industry we did apply 0.5ppm of a surfactant polymer, to settle out the otherwise suspendid solids in form of a filterable sludge.
(For those who have a feel for such figures: 0.5g polymer
(=half a thimble) additive mixed into a ton of water.) This was industrial technology. In fact even much smaller (call: impurities?) amounts can cause effects, measurable today with more sophisticated scientific instruments than what we used in the 50s-60s R&D.
This dates back only ½ century, - a reason, why I double check with scrutiny earlier consclusions in scientific generalization/philosophy before deeming them (so far!)acceptable - unless proven obsolete.
Regards
John M
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gwinn
To: ***
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Dr. Gilbert Ling, "The Physical Basis of Life"

In reference to this earlier thread on Gilbert Ling, there is an interesting article in The Scientist which seems to be supportive of the notion of structural relationships between proteins and water molecules and the importance of those relationships for biological systems, as Ling proposed.
 
Entitled "Structured Water is Changing Models", Vol 18 Iss. 21, 4. Online at:
(requires free registration to view)
 
Regards,
Tim