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Re: Maximally constrained



 
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From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:***On Behalf Of Judith Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Maximally constrained

TG: Holonomic constraints ('rigidity' is a typical holonomic constraints) is clearly present in structural organization, such as the skeletal components. In terms of an organism's functional organization that I was concerned with, I am imagining that the constraints are largely, or all, non-holonomic, such that the functional organization could be maximally constrained so that it remains invariant, even when all dynamics are removed (i.e., the cell frozen).
 
Even rigidity, as in skeletel structure, is context dependent. It varies according to the context of time, as in where in life-cycle the organism happens to be. In human childhood, for example, as bones are rapidly growing, they are much softer and more flexible than in adulthood. In old age, they are often brittle. (Perhaps this means that rigidity is also dependent on the context of health.) In pregnancy, female adults structural rigidity alters radically near the end of term, due to hormonal action. (This allows the bones of the pelvic girdle to expand as the baby passes through during delivery. I can tell you from personal experience, it's very strange to feel all your joints getting loose during the third trimester!)
TG: I think we are using the term 'holonomic constraint' in different ways. I use it to indicate a situation where the degrees-of-freedom are restricted in a particular way, as the term is used in analytical mechanics. In the case of rigidity, if I take a bone and rotate it, the whole bone rotates...all the degrees-of-freedom of the particles in the bone are tied together such that specifying the overall position and orientation of the bone in space also defines the position of all the particles in that bone.
 
I do not use context-independence/context-dependence as respective criteria for holonomic/nonholonomic. I use the terms as they are defined in analytical mechanics.
 
It is also not true that all dynamics are removed when cells are frozen. They are simply slowed down. But frozen cells have a "shelf life", even when the temperature is maintained.
 
TG: The interesting thing to me is that the (M,R)-system is a model of an invariant functional organization, and therefore I further conjecture whether realizing an (M,R)-system involves realizing a maximally constrained functional organization?
 
How do you mean that organisms are "invariant functional organizations"?  Specifically, it's the word "invariant" I want to understand your meaning of.
TG: I did not say that organisms are "invariant functional organizations". But if the (M,R)-system is a valid functional model of an organism, that functional organization in that model as realized in the organism is invariant with respect to time and its interactions with its environment. An organism would always be a realization of an (M,R)-system (excepting damage, of course).
 
(I must also reiterate the need to include the words "non-holonomically" with "constrained" if context changes the constraint values.  Otherwise the meaning is radically different. A "maximally constrained system" would have to be a very limited subsystem within a complex system or else a simple system-- like a toaster.) 
TG: I use the term "maximally constrained system" as Rosen defined it in the paper. His definition entirely involves non-holonomic constraints. Therefore it seemed redundant to specify it as "nonholonomic maximally constrained system". There is no definition given for a maximally constrained system consisting of holonomic constraints.
TG: I agree that functional organization cannot be equated, and probably not even mapped, to structure. That is the "structure-function complementarity" that he mentions in the paper and which I base my conjecture on. This is why I say it "would be very difficult to describe in strictly structural terms". (It may well be impossible, but I don't want to exclude a priori such a possibility.)
 
Quite right. However, the structure of living organisms is infinite in variety, but the organization is the same: It is how we recognize them as "living organisms".  
TG: Likewise, my comments do not depend upon any particular structure. Rather, they depend upon particular relationships between elements of structure such that they allow realization of functions. My conjecture is that those relationships would be enforced in physical terms by a nexus of nonholonomic constraints.
 
 When you kill an organism, its structure can remain completely intact, but you have destroyed the complex organization. Similarly, functions in a living organism are not entirely the product of a relation between structural aspects and other structural aspects. The functions of blood, for example, are fulfilled in many different ways which utilize many different means, depending on the evolutionary context of each species of organism.
 
It seems to me that the notion of "function" could be viewed as an exploitation of the degrees of freedom created by the action of non-holonomic constraints on the system-- either from inside or from outside the organization (or both, perhaps in various modes of interaction...). It also seems to me that what would be defined as a non-holonomic constraint on one aspect of system organization could also simultaneously be playing many other roles within that organization. Some of the roles may be functions, which are themselves "non-holonomically constrained"-- perhaps even by the the first function's activity-- in a closed entailment loop. In other words, one function's activity creates or impacts the context that determines various non-holonomic constraint values. Those constraints may or may not serve some functional value, in turn.
 
An example would be maintainance of body temperature in a warm-blooded organism. There are constraints on the range of temperature that will support continued organization (i.e., keep the organism alive), but those constraints are different depending on on context... A bear in hibernation would have different "normals", different ranges, than when it is not hibernating... Illness or injury changes the context again, which impacts the temperature constraints. Each of these contextual changes has effects on the constraint values and, in turn, those effects may have critical functional properties in the organization of the system. (Fever and immune system function, perhaps.) Yet, temperature is not a structural component.
 
It is worth noting that warm blooded animals have certain survival benefits and options which are conferred upon them by the ability to maintain a "constant" internal temperature. At the same time, the need to maintain that temperature, at whatever ranges and levels the context dictates, can also be regarded as a non-holonomic constraint on the system.
 
Judith