John K,
you probed the semantic quagmire of the conscious family.
Unconsciousness is NOT the opposite of consciousness, conscious (of?) is NOT
having consciousness. Anesthesiologists use the term in a purely
physiological cut-off, while psych people use it as 'awareness' - indeed a
mental aspect only.
I appreciated Hameroff - the pioneer in finding a tissue-part involved with
(his) consciousness, the in-neuron microtubules. He really went on into
Q-mind with his co-author Nobelist Penrose in a sense 'lighting up' the
thought (ie. using 'photons' as carriers of the neuronal process).
Some include in consciousness the managing of the body, some the content
of the mind - most go around 'thinking' - 'remebering' capabilities.
Whatever we don't know indeed, is good for shoving it into consciousness. It
takes it.
This is why I denied that it is an "it", it is "no thing", spelled in one
word.
John M
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From: "John Kineman" <***>
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Consciousness and information, etc.
John M.
I personally agree and like the idea of sensitivity related to induction
of qualia, and have no problem with calling it a form of consciousness.
I also like the idea of "sensitivity" to skirt the predictable debate
over meanings of the c-word. For one thing, anesthesiologists point out
that they make people "unconscious," but don't kill them, and yet most
of our living functions (and "sensitivities") continue at an autonomic
level, still sensitive, still "conscious"? - in what sense? So they are
meaning by consciousness what stops under anesthetics. Hammeroff was
particularly interested in this question where people go when they are
out, as a practicing anesthesiologist, but his quantum mind ideas ended
up convincing him that some form of consciousness is ubiquitous. I don't
know the answer.
John K.
John M wrote:
,,,
After said that about 'info', my pan-sensitivity refers to it as a quale
to
respond to (any) info. Like a stone to an applied pressure: it falls
apart.
(Not only from 'single cell (living?) organisms' up).
...Sorry, I cannot distinguish it from consciousness,