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Re: Physics and Metaphysics - systems and environment



Hi, Tim,
there is either an identification or not -
the question is: is it right?
you really mean to "identify" a natural system in its totality, as to match it with 'another one' maybe similarly unlimited? Or you abide by matching clean cut models to 'identify' them with other 'clean cut' models (unvaguely)?
I said "vague" because we deem 'identical' something based on certain limited characteristics we observe within the boundaries of our choice. Omitting the rest.
Let me illustrate with a very silly example: "Cubes are identical"
OHO! one is big, the other is small. So add the length of the edges, to make your identification crisp. Add also the material they consist of, the colors, the gravitational system they are in, and I still call them vague: there is always something you forgot.
(e.g. the outside surfaces may not be plane - they are in diverse extreme speeds, or by other 1234x10^243 unobserv(ed)(able) affecting features).
You may make crisp identifications as you wish, in your formal scientific-reductionist (quanti?) definitional system - in that case I really want to agree in disagreeing with you - on this list <G>.
 
John M
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gwinn
To: ***
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Physics and Metaphysics - systems and environment

Hi JohnM,
 
Ah well, I guess we have to agree to disagree, if I understand your phrase "Identicity is vague IMO". For me, there is either an identification or not.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:***On Behalf Of John M
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:20 AM
To: ***
Subject: Re: Physics and Metaphysics - systems and environment

Tim and Dan,
My apologies to Dan, for the lapse of my finger and inattention.
I meant GRITS, the food, (paste in no differentiation, uniform mass of undistinguishable monotony-melange).
I feel menaning-nuances between differentiation and partitioning. Identicity is vague IMO and an unpartitioned entity can have different aspects in its entirety. Subtle? you bet.
Maybe I am distorted by translated synonyms where distinctions are sometimes sharper than in English.
You did not answer my "says who".
John M