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Re: Physics and Metaphysics - systems and environment



Thanks, Judith,
 
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Subject: Re: Physics and Metaphysics - systems and environment

John M wrote:
If you are within the same setup as I and we both look at "the same" environment (including both of us) we will have not-matching connotations of "it", pertinent to the two different experiential mindcontents interpreting it.
 
Is this in some contradiction with RR or anybody here?
 
You are in agreement with RR.
Skip
From page 3 of Life, Itself:
"Can arbitrary qualities (the stuff of perception) be equivalently expressed in terms of a certain limited subset of elementary qualities (those we can measure numerically)? If so, how? If not, what does it mean to have a science of such qualities? What relationships can exist between such sciences (if indeed, any at all)? It is clear that these issues and others like them involve the deepest aspects of the relation between the perceiving mind and the perceptual universe."
Judith
 
Which brings me to a big question. The par. above preceded the arguments on several lists in the past years about the 1st - 3rd person relations putting 'objectivity' in limbo.
What I am puzzled by, is RR's OK-position about the 'sciences' in general and yet his devoted work with(in?) biology. Especially mathematical, using all the incomplete cut limited model-quantities of the past reductionist modelings within the topic - as derived in and by a "perceptual universe" past 'observations' and the belief system. 
 
(As I see -generally not formally accepted - , but in many cases agreed upon -
a 3rd person (accepted) opinion (teaching, science, book-content, etc.) is the 1st person interpretation of the acceptor based on the format which another person provided
as HIS 1st person opinion about it - maybe in form of an  n^mth level of such transforms.
That is science 2004 - as I see it).
 
John M