Thank you for your prompt reflection on my post of today on
Judith's post of August 5, with many points to learn from. I am glad you like my
addendum on impressive intangibles as only a few examples from one field of art.
There are also some contemporary/ local very insightful music composed and sang
by canto-autori which I like very much. When it comes to giving
examples they are still the universal ones that come to mind immediately. I
am sure you forgive me for my ommision of Wolff. This is my ignorance. You may
tell me more about his music.
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:49
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Subject: Re: The Einstein issue of
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Dear Ayten, a thought (and artistic emotions)
provoking post indeed.
To the Lee Smolins quote-part from
Judith's post below:
you must be a well-trained physicist,
literate in current theories and aware of their limitations..."
I would add: and be a reductionist like
Einstein, who took the limited model of 'physical' quantities for the world as
'total' in his considerations. Don't forget, there is no such 'thing' in the
so called physical reality (what is it?) as " l i g h t ", the speed of
which is said to be 'constant'. There are effects we explained and calculated
as 'photons' that 'move'(?) and our mindful interpretation forms this percept
into a light, - image, etc. mental realization.
(Same with 'sound', mass, even
energy etc.).
Our instruments are designed to serve this
model. Ingeniously.
You wrote:
>...As the real complexity starts, I
believe, in fields above and beyond physics it is essential to have a
good understanding of mathematics and physics but not
enough...."<
We (all, westernly learned) are brainwashed
into reductionistic thinking in calculations by quantized models - considered
as the total of their topical cut. There is a danger in a 'good
understanding': one slips easily into the habit and it distorts the
wholistical ways of thinking into the learned maxims.
I think we all struggle with such
schizophrenia to think on one side int natural systems and on the other side
more mechanistic or simple models. I believe RR also struggled in this,
especially since he wanted to write to the reductionistic crowd palatably.
It seems he could keep a clear barrier
dividing such dichotomy.
Your _expression_ "...meta-scientists and theorists, ..." is a label mostly
applied derogatorily by the "establishemnt-scientists" on people who dare
express unorthodox opinions. (I do not want to eliminate the
posibility of half-baked thinkers and unscientific errants, but such
identification has to be made with caution: many 'unconventional' ideas look
like a hoax.)
Music: Song is an age-old
part of human mentality (I missed Wolff from your composers)
expressing the 'emotional' side mostly. Two
points to add: in human history there was a strong effect (to the worse) of
violent war-songs to promote brutality and I wonder how would the honorable
list-members deem "rap-art" - the _expression_ of contemporary and
emotional feelings in rhythmical, but mostly unharmonized declamation of
texts? Is it art?
(I dislike it but accept it as art.
Contemporary art about malaises torturing the minds in artful expressiveness,
are mostly disliked by contemporaries - eg. Beethoven, etc.).
Intuition? good
point. How about art? I am sure RR had a lot to say about it.
John M
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