Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?

[Ionel <***>]

Hi, Tim:

Thank you for the links to the two papers about quantum states and Hilbert.

Best Regards,

Ionel



On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:53:08 -0400, Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:

>Home and yard reconstruction notwithstanding...the link to the Hiley paper
>(which I've downloaded but not yet read):
>http://www.bbk.ac.uk/tpru/BasilHiley/Algebraic%20Quantum%20Mechanic%205.pdf
>
>Redei's website at Eotvos Univ. with links to his papers regarding von
>Neumann's abandonment of Hilbert space is here:
>http://hps.elte.hu/~redei/
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>P.S. - Folks may recall that Hiley was also co-author with David Bohm of
the
>book "The Undivided Universe", which presented the 'pilot wave' approach to
>QM.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of Ionel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:47 PM
>> To: ***
>> Subject: Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime
>> of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?
>>
>>
>> Hi, Judith:
>>
>> I have a brief addition, which is however neither contradictory/self-
>> contradictory nor controversial in the context of your posting, related
to
>> your interesting quote from "Life Itself", also cited below after my
>> posting. It seems that Robert Rosen has anticipated by many  years a
>> current of recent efforts in Quantum Theory developments to either give
up
>> or circumvent the continuous state function in a Hilbert space for a
>> quantum system, such as the recent paper published by Dr. B. J. Hiley
from
>> the Theoretical Physics Research Unit at Birkbeck in London,
>> entitled: "Algebraic Quantum Mechanics, Algebraic Spinors and Hilbert
>> Space", (2001), 38 pp. that can be found on the web, for example, using
>> Google; [no doubt, Tim will be the first to find its URL and post the web
>> link to this paper if he's finished with his home re-construction, or
>> building ?--incidentally, my own web site is still "under
>> construction" but
>> we may have it up and running very soon with lots of relevant stuff to
the
>> Rosennean approach and the "new quantum biology" that is also under
>> development!--will let you know where and when it's ready].
>>
>> The same author also quotes in this quantum-theoretical paper a  written
>> statement attributed to von Neumann related to this issue of (quantum)
>> state functions : <Yet there have been other voices raised against the
>> necessity of a Hilbert space;... (e.g., in quantum mechanics...
>> which is a
>> state vector space of state (complex) functions (of real x,y,z
coordinates
>> and real time points) represented as vectors)... <Von Neumann
>> himself wrote
>> to Birkhoff (1966): "I would like to make a confession which may seem
>> immoral: I do not believe absolutely in Hilbert space any more." (A
>> detailed discussion of why von Neumann made this comment can be found in
>> Redei (1996): "Why von Neumann did not like the Hilbert space formalism
of
>> quantum mechanics (and what he liked instead).",in: Stud. Hist. Phil.
>> Modern Physics, vol. 27: 493-510(1996).>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Ionel