Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?

[John M <***>]

Tim,

1./I don't know Redei, but the Hungarian physicists (and mathematicians) I
know are strongly in the conventional science.
This is not a crime, but their conclusions come from reductionist mindset.
Formalism in limited models.

2./ Wasn't Hiley co-author with a dead D. Bohm? I remember so.
The book is 'posthumus' for Bohm and I missed in it Bohm, the
world-appreciated advanced philosopher of the 60s-70s finding a talented
physicist's work from 1952. The book is physics at its best.

3./ A question: was it Hilbert who withdrew his ideas at old age?
If yes, v.Neumann's 'abandonment' could trigger it.

I still owe myself a reply to a former post of you - am pretty busy on other
lists and disenchanted with the 'campain-follies'. Maybe you will have the
pleasure of missing it at all.
I have no comment to Ionel's post, it is outside of my followed topics.
I stopped my math interest in 1948 after my Ph.D. in chem-phys-math.

John M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gwinn" <***>
To: <***>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime of an
Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?


> Home and yard reconstruction notwithstanding...the link to the Hiley paper
> (which I've downloaded but not yet read):
>
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/tpru/BasilHiley/Algebraic%20Quantum%20Mechanic%205.pdf
>
> Redei's website at Eotvos Univ. with links to his papers regarding von
> Neumann's abandonment of Hilbert space is here:
> http://hps.elte.hu/~redei/
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> P.S. - Folks may recall that Hiley was also co-author with David Bohm of
the
> book "The Undivided Universe", which presented the 'pilot wave' approach
to
> QM.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of Ionel
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:47 PM
> > To: ***
> > Subject: Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime
> > of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?
> >
> >
> > Hi, Judith:
> >
> > I have a brief addition, which is however neither contradictory/self-
> > contradictory nor controversial in the context of your posting, related
to
> > your interesting quote from "Life Itself", also cited below after my
> > posting. It seems that Robert Rosen has anticipated by many  years a
> > current of recent efforts in Quantum Theory developments to either give
up
> > or circumvent the continuous state function in a Hilbert space for a
> > quantum system, such as the recent paper published by Dr. B. J. Hiley
from
> > the Theoretical Physics Research Unit at Birkbeck in London,
> > entitled: "Algebraic Quantum Mechanics, Algebraic Spinors and Hilbert
> > Space", (2001), 38 pp. that can be found on the web, for example, using
> > Google; [no doubt, Tim will be the first to find its URL and post the
web
> > link to this paper if he's finished with his home re-construction, or
> > building ?--incidentally, my own web site is still "under
> > construction" but
> > we may have it up and running very soon with lots of relevant stuff to
the
> > Rosennean approach and the "new quantum biology" that is also under
> > development!--will let you know where and when it's ready].
> >
> > The same author also quotes in this quantum-theoretical paper a  written
> > statement attributed to von Neumann related to this issue of (quantum)
> > state functions : <Yet there have been other voices raised against the
> > necessity of a Hilbert space;... (e.g., in quantum mechanics...
> > which is a
> > state vector space of state (complex) functions (of real x,y,z
coordinates
> > and real time points) represented as vectors)... <Von Neumann
> > himself wrote
> > to Birkhoff (1966): "I would like to make a confession which may seem
> > immoral: I do not believe absolutely in Hilbert space any more." (A
> > detailed discussion of why von Neumann made this comment can be found in
> > Redei (1996): "Why von Neumann did not like the Hilbert space formalism
of
> > quantum mechanics (and what he liked instead).",in: Stud. Hist. Phil.
> > Modern Physics, vol. 27: 493-510(1996).>>
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Ionel
>