Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?

[Tim Gwinn <***>]

Home and yard reconstruction notwithstanding...the link to the Hiley paper
(which I've downloaded but not yet read):
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/tpru/BasilHiley/Algebraic%20Quantum%20Mechanic%205.pdf

Redei's website at Eotvos Univ. with links to his papers regarding von
Neumann's abandonment of Hilbert space is here:
http://hps.elte.hu/~redei/

Regards,
Tim

P.S. - Folks may recall that Hiley was also co-author with David Bohm of the
book "The Undivided Universe", which presented the 'pilot wave' approach to
QM.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of Ionel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:47 PM
> To: ***
> Subject: Re: Dr Mae-Wan Ho and i-sis.org " Definition in the SpaceTime
> of an Organism and in relation to Quantum theory?
>
>
> Hi, Judith:
>
> I have a brief addition, which is however neither contradictory/self-
> contradictory nor controversial in the context of your posting, related to
> your interesting quote from "Life Itself", also cited below after my
> posting. It seems that Robert Rosen has anticipated by many  years a
> current of recent efforts in Quantum Theory developments to either give up
> or circumvent the continuous state function in a Hilbert space for a
> quantum system, such as the recent paper published by Dr. B. J. Hiley from
> the Theoretical Physics Research Unit at Birkbeck in London,
> entitled: "Algebraic Quantum Mechanics, Algebraic Spinors and Hilbert
> Space", (2001), 38 pp. that can be found on the web, for example, using
> Google; [no doubt, Tim will be the first to find its URL and post the web
> link to this paper if he's finished with his home re-construction, or
> building ?--incidentally, my own web site is still "under
> construction" but
> we may have it up and running very soon with lots of relevant stuff to the
> Rosennean approach and the "new quantum biology" that is also under
> development!--will let you know where and when it's ready].
>
> The same author also quotes in this quantum-theoretical paper a  written
> statement attributed to von Neumann related to this issue of (quantum)
> state functions : <Yet there have been other voices raised against the
> necessity of a Hilbert space;... (e.g., in quantum mechanics...
> which is a
> state vector space of state (complex) functions (of real x,y,z coordinates
> and real time points) represented as vectors)... <Von Neumann
> himself wrote
> to Birkhoff (1966): "I would like to make a confession which may seem
> immoral: I do not believe absolutely in Hilbert space any more." (A
> detailed discussion of why von Neumann made this comment can be found in
> Redei (1996): "Why von Neumann did not like the Hilbert space formalism of
> quantum mechanics (and what he liked instead).",in: Stud. Hist. Phil.
> Modern Physics, vol. 27: 493-510(1996).>>
>
> With best regards,
>
> Ionel