Re: Modern Physics, complementarity, realization

[Tim Gwinn <***>]

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> From: ROSEN Forum []On Behalf Of Dan
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> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Modern Physics, complementarity, realization
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> Does the principle above (need for inequivalent complementary
> models) also suggest that realization of a complex system is not
> just about physical realization, but must also include some idea of
> a relational realization as well? And even inequivalent physical and
> relational aspects of realization that are integral, unified, even
> though inequivalent?

I'd say a faithful realization of a complex system would have to incorporate
all the qualities present in its all its specified computable and
noncomputable models. Not all complex systems would necessarily have
functional relational models of organization, but if they did (e.g.,
organisms) then that functional relational organization would have to be
realized along with (or, integral or unified with, as you said) the
realization of the structural models. Even complex systems that do not admit
a functional relational model would still have a kind of organization to
realize. Rosen refers to this in Essays p. 27 as part of his "new physics":
"these [the "gravitational aspects" in formal and efficient causation] are
manifested in graphical structures, whose patterns can be divorced entirely
from the state sets on which they act."

Regards,
Tim