Re: Quantum Physics, Robert's models, sensory perception

[Ionel <***>]

Tim:

It seems that John M. and I have settled for what you might call:
"Give Caesar what is Caesar's!", rather than chase an argument that has
already run its course. Again, as P.W. Anderson (another QT , Sweedish
prize earner that I admire) said: "More is Different"!!! (Science, 1972).
Indeed, if we were Boolean-logic machines, having all these facts together
we'd all come to  the same conclusion(s), but as we 're human... and not
necessarily strictly logical always; therefore, the expected outcome is
that we shall not all come to the same conclusion. Therefore, "Give Caesar
what is Caesar's!", remains the most logical injunction that one can hope
for. But, then, perhaps someone will disagree with even such a reasonable,
logical, 2000+ year old injunction...

Ionel



On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:19:45 -0400, Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:

>Wow....I miss a few days of email and I come back to alot of reading! :)
>
>I have a general reply to most of these posts by Ionel and Howard, but I
can
>tell already it will be rather lengthy, so it may take a day or so. The
>short response re Feynman 'sum over histories' is that I am quite certain
>that is does not take us out of the state-based paradigm. It is only yet
>another way to encode quantum states and trajectories information. See, for
>example:
>http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~muchomas/8.04/Lecs/lec_FeynmanDiagrams/node
2
>.html
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of
>> Professor I.C. Baianu
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:21 PM
>> To: ***
>> Subject: Re: Quantum Physics, Robert's models, sensory perception
>>
>>
>> RE:>>I can't really speak to your other examples. Does either one of them
>> take us outside of the state-based paradigm?
>>
>> Regards, Tim>>
>>
>> Yes, Tim:
>>
>> I believe that Robert Feynmann's approach of 'sums-over-histories'
>> instead of individual states and the Hamiltonian approach  is doing
>> just that. He 's got several well-written and readable books, one
>> of which,
>> is the last of his popular lectures is on Quantum Mechanics/Q.
>> Electrodynamics. I'm sure you'd find them in the bookstore to peruse
>> through. They are quite different from his rather famous "Lecture Notes
>> on Physics" in three volumes, that are much more technical in nature, but
>> at an intermediate level-- addressing Physics undergaduate students.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ionel



On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:19:45 -0400, Tim Gwinn <***> wrote:

>Wow....I miss a few days of email and I come back to alot of reading! :)
>
>I have a general reply to most of these posts by Ionel and Howard, but I
can
>tell already it will be rather lengthy, so it may take a day or so. The
>short response re Feynman 'sum over histories' is that I am quite certain
>that is does not take us out of the state-based paradigm. It is only yet
>another way to encode quantum states and trajectories information. See, for
>example:
>http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~muchomas/8.04/Lecs/lec_FeynmanDiagrams/node
2
>.html
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of
>> Professor I.C. Baianu
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:21 PM
>> To: ***
>> Subject: Re: Quantum Physics, Robert's models, sensory perception
>>
>>
>> RE:>>I can't really speak to your other examples. Does either one of them
>> take us outside of the state-based paradigm?
>>
>> Regards, Tim>>
>>
>> Yes, Tim:
>>
>> I believe that Robert Feynmann's approach of 'sums-over-histories'
>> instead of individual states and the Hamiltonian approach  is doing
>> just that. He 's got several well-written and readable books, one
>> of which,
>> is the last of his popular lectures is on Quantum Mechanics/Q.
>> Electrodynamics. I'm sure you'd find them in the bookstore to peruse
>> through. They are quite different from his rather famous "Lecture Notes
>> on Physics" in three volumes, that are much more technical in nature, but
>> at an intermediate level-- addressing Physics undergaduate students.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ionel

Tim:

It seems that John M. and I have settled for what you might call:
"Give Caesar what is Caesar's!", rather than chase an argument that has
already run its course. Again, as P.W. Anderson (another Sweedish prize
earner that I admire) said: "More is Different"!!! Indeed, if we were
Boolean-logic machines, having all these facts together we'd all come to
the same conclusions, but as we 're human and not necessarily strictly
logical always, the expected outcome is that we shall not come to the same
conclusion. Therefore, "Give Caesar what is Caesar's!", remains the most
logical injunction that one can hope for. But, then, perhaps someone will
disagree with even such a reasonable, logical, 2000+ year old injunction...

Ionel