Re: The Goal of this List

[James N Rose <***>]

Robert Rosen, as any good innovative thinker,
was well aware of the conceptual alternatives
to his/their posited ideas.  They are encountered
when alive, and become afixed when the person passes.

Typically that is taken for granted.

In this (list) situation its subtly problematic.

For the expansive notion of natural systems RR
presented, all possibles are requisitely
open to be encountered, considered, engaged,
and generate intereffective results.

Anything less signifies a limited model and incompleteness.

The list, even Judith who represents RR's voice and mind,
even Tim as RRconcepts champion, are subject to the
diminishment of his not being here.

Howard P saw this forum as a place to continue the
conceptual differential debates he had with Bob
while he was alive.  It isn't.

I myself initially saw this forum as a place to
'converse' with the creative notions RR loosed
into the world and springboard/correlate my own
novel exploration towards a Grand Global Systems
Theory.  It isn't.  I'm fortunate to be here, close
to the fount of RR and his concepts, but anything -
any notions, alternatives to RR etc. are -my- domain
to pursue elsewhere, not advance on this list.

I have much to offer in the way of interesting
alternative akin-concepts to RR's.  But this is the
RRosen list, not anyone else's.  It isn't a general
open forum to look for natural-alternatives to RR
perspectives or framings.  Its a forum to keep
RR's work and clear specificities intact, and keep
clarity that is true to his living sentiments and
perceptions.

Judith wrote me early on that she thought her father
would have enjoyed talking with me, discussing ideas,
based on the ideas I wrote when I joined in here.
I value that review, am saddened by my not having
made contact when he was with us, and respect him to the
point of -not- using this list to surrogate it for
him in some faux post-mortem dialogue.

RR's concepts are no longer open to amendment (albeit
possible 'improvement').  They are definitely affirmed
against any further disputation where he -might-
have concurred with arguments and amended his views.

The goal of this list - is to advance the notion
of openness and connectivity and adaptivity - while
not being morphable beyond RR and his cache of
concepts as they were during his life.

It seems a disparity, but its not.   Its the
status of a firm worldview, generous in its
scope and words but cast in concepts that
now remain as they are - exactly.

Expressive, visionary, important.

Jamie Rose
Ceptual Institute