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Re: causing trouble



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> Tim,
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> Would you expound a bit more on this, including
> exact citation of the p159 wording.
>
Jamie,

Essays p. 159 is in a section describing the modelling relation (MR), showing a diagram of it. He says:
    "The left-hand side side of this diagram comprises the sytem being modeled (often called the object system). The arrow 1 represents the internal entailments that characterize this object system. The right-hand side of the diagram is a linguistic system, generally a mathematical one, with its own arrow 3 of internal, inferential entailment. The crucial ingredients are the arrows 2 and 4, which I have called encoding and decoding, respectively. (I have  discussed the anomolous features of these arrows in more detail in Life Itself, section 3H.) They do not fit entirely inside either the object system or the model; they do not represent entailments, nor are they themselves entailed. They manifest what Einstein (with Infeld; 1983:33) once called "free creations of the mind", on which he believed science depends. They introduce an obvious further semantic element into the model, over and above what semantic (e.g., nonformalizable) features may already be present in the model. The only condition on them is that they bring the two entailment structures into congruence - that is, that they satisfy the commutativity condition, which I have written as:            1 = 2 + 3 + 4  ." [bold added]

So, the encoding/decoding needs to come from (i.e., be entailed by) somewhere/something else outside the model per se. As Judith noted:
"Even the "anticipatory model" within the organization of living systems may only be "active" insofar as it is part of the dynamic organization of the system itself. "
This issue therefore seems to me highly problematic for the notion of "two models modeling each other". I cannot envision how one could postulate the verb "modeling" in that statement without there being 'modelers' of some kind which are separate from the models themselves and which provide the encoding/decoding which gives the 'model' a context to actually be a model of something.
 
Regards,
Tim