Re: Question, version 2, building models

[Dan Fiscus <***>]

Tim,

But isn't modeling also ontic in that the modeler and all
processes involved do exist in reference to, integrated with
some material/physical processes (brain, mind, body, life
needs, paper, pencils, speech, books, etc. etc.)? This is the
inescapable ontic and self-referential aspect to modeling
that to me shows the epistemic cut to be artificial and
majorly problematic if left to operate alone, unchecked,
unbalanced.

But looking at Rosen in context (all his works) I would
agree that the quotes relate to different meanings and
philosophies at the core.

Dan


Tim Gwinn wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Building models (relational or reductionistic) is an epistemological act of
> abstracting from a natural system to a formal system. As I read it, "can be
> separated from" appears to refer to fractionation: an ontological claim that
> "aliveness" (as Langton calls it) is some logical property that can be
> fractionated from a material system. As such, I see no real similarity
> between the two quotes.
>
> Regards,
> Tim