Re: Judith's challenge #1

[Tim Gwinn <***>]

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> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of Howard
> Pattee
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> Subject: Re: Judith's challenge #1
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> All I am claiming, and what I will show by direct quotes, is that
> Bob?s statements about von Neumann?s not distinguishing
> simulation and construction (or software and hardware, physical
> laws and syntactic rules, matter and symbols, the two sides of
> the epistemic cut, etc.)  were not fair. I repeat, this is not a
> judgment about von Neumann?s models, it is about correctly
> reporting what a man says.
>
> Misinterpretation is a common mistake. What makes it worse than a
> mistake is repeating the charge indefinitely without at least
> acknowledging evidence to the contrary or even responding to
> friendly critics.
>
> It is clear from Judith?s and your responses that any perceived
> misinterpretation of Bob?s work requires an immediate and
> vehement attempt at correction. Why do you so strongly deny von
> Neumann the same attempt?


I think we would all welcome seeing these quotes and their contexts. If we
had them upfront, this might have saved us all alot of grief. Unfortunately,
no one else seems to have these texts at hand, nor do I know of (although
they certainly may exist) any texts by other parties that make similar
remarks about von Neumann that you seem to be making. So, we wait for you to
post them.

Regards,
Tim