Re: Mathematics in biology

[Ayten Aydin <***>]

Judith,
Further to my previous comment, to avoid misinterpration of my phrase
"higher level criteria is to be aplied to a higher level field" I would like
to clarify that I mean specifically for our case: " the proof for theories
within the complexity field cannot be looked for within the
physical/analytical realm but within others commensurate with the complexity
field - already one step higher- level or looked for within even higher,
such as mental/imaginary, subtle/intuitional, causal etc realms.
Ayten
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Rosen" <***>
To: <***>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mathematics in biology


> Hi Ayten,
>  I think the following quote of yours is an amazing one:
>
>  "All of the mineral world is in a plant, but not vice-versa and so on."
>
> I think that perspective speaks to the notion of Complexity. However, the
> following is more confusing to me:
>
> > Ayten Aydin wrote: "Based on the above, I am wondering whether some of
the
> difficulties in grasping Rosennean ideas have been and may  still be
arising
> from a perception and/or a category error emerging from the application of
> lower level knowledge/understanding/consciousness to a higher plane, i.e
> physical/matterialistic/nonliving system principles to those of living
> systems - while mathematics could help any level with its wide spectrum
> covering all levels, and the living system experiences may enhance and
> upgrade the knowledge and perception concerning non-living world/physical
> plane,  not vice-versa ??"
>
> Here's how I'm reading that paragraph: That the trouble some people are
> having with understanding Rosennean ideas comes from the application of a
> reductionist perspective on things that do not yield to approaches based
on
> that perspective because the perspective itself comes from experience
> dealing with simpler systems. And that mathematics helps in both realms.
And
> that a perspective coming from complex systems will "enhance and upgrade"
> science dealing with simple systems as well.
>
> Does it sound like I'm getting what you mean? If not, could you please
> elaborate on your ideas for me?
>
> Thanks,
> Judith
>