Re: Relational "Space"

[Tim Gwinn <***>]

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> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of Dan
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:17 AM
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> Subject: Re: explanation for teleportation/entanglement?
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> Is a relational systems approach a la Rosen and Rashevsky
> part of any of these discussions? It would seem to me a
> natural fit. If for example the metric and topological
> properties of the universe are qualitatively different, it could
> be that topological or relational properties could help
> explain dynamics in metric properties (standard, measurable,
> quantitative, physical aspects of matter, energy, time, space,
> etc.) that other metric properties themselves cannot explain.
> Maybe like a blind spot or self-referential limit like trying to
> look at your own eyeball.
>
> A relational "space" in which dynamics of correlations and
> communication are born, grow, evolve and die at least partly
> independent of dynamics in a metric space of physical and
> material dynamics could be a general approach to explaining
> non-locality and seeming instantaneous/simultaneous events.
> In a relational space there might be no "distance" between two
> "particles" - they might occupy the same "coordinates" and be
> subject to the same relational "environmental context" and
> thus the same "relational forcing functions". The distance in
> relational space could be qualitatively different from distance
> in physical space.

Dan,

I keep being drawn back to this post of yours. I'm still dubious of QM
nonlocality, but I like your idea as a broader concept. The idea of a
relational "space" is intriguing. I wonder if "distance in relational space"
is perhaps related to 'interaction' between systems? It may not be a matter
of continuous degrees of interaction, but something more discontinuous
(e.g., either two systems interact or not, or perhaps they 1) do not
interact, 2) interact via environmental relations (e.g., symbiotic), or 3)
interact by direct relations (e.g., chimerical)), so maybe this would not be
a 'continuous' space.

What do you perceive the "relational forcing functions" to be? What comes to
my mind are constraints.

Regards,
Tim