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Re: A question on style of writing...



Judith,
 
I know that when I first read his books, I sometimes found myself uncertain about where his discussions were leading. I think it would be helpful if the discussions were prefaced by an elaboration of his stance. I can see where a possible difficulty might arise insofar as elaborating on his stance might sometimes require almost as much explanation as the discussion itself in order for it to be sensible to the reader who does not yet know the concepts and distinctions to be introduced; otherwise, it might sound like just a lot of handwaving. And perhaps he wanted to avoid that latter misperception.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:***On Behalf Of Judith Rosen
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:37 AM
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Subject: A question on style of writing...

 I have a question for the groupabout the way Robert Rosen structures his written work.
 
I have often felt, when reading my father's work, that he takes a long time to say what he really thinks in his various discussions. He points to an assumption in contemporary science, defines what that assumption is based on, and then proceeds from that assumption, following the logic into various hypothetical territories and shows the folly of the original assumption. But all the real meaning is usually at the end of his discussions.
 
In this he differs from most writing, which makes assertions at the beginning, and gives the reasons and the proofs afterwards. My question is this:
 
Has anyone on the list here had difficulty figuring out what  my father was "really saying" because of this practice of his?
 
In the excerpt below, which I posted to the list this morning, the first paragraph starts with an "If" and all the following paragraphs are "Then"s. But... it sounds at first like he is saying (in the third paragraph down) that he agrees with the machine metaphor, but in fact he is continuing to point out the problems with it. I wonder how many people here have found this stylistic choice of my father's troublesome. It would help me to know that, for my future work on "translating" his ideas into regular English.
 
Thanks in advance.
Judith

          If one accepts this ?Machine Metaphor?, which is one of the primary underpinnings of contemporary Reductionism in biology, then an organism becomes a piece of engineering (albeit without an engineer), and a physician is one responsible for the maintenance and proper functioning of this piece of engineering. Indeed, in this light, Medicine itself becomes a species of engineering, of a kind nowadays called Control Engineering.

 

          If a machine malfunctions (i.e. exhibits pathology), or otherwise deviates from nominal behavior, one must seek the causes for the aberration (troubleshooting, or diagnostics), and then make the necessary repairs or adjustments (therapeutics and/or prosthesis). Even in the absence of such pathology, one must generally maintain the machine, in such a way that nominal behavior will be preserved (preventive maintenance, or hygiene).

 

          The only difference between Medicine and other forms of control engineering is that, since we neither built the machine we call an organism (i.e. are not responsible for its ontology), nor know much about how it actually works (i.e. its epistemology) the physician is much more in the dark than is his technological counterpart. Instead of nominal performance criteria, he must make do with a notion of ?health?, which has proved difficult or impossible to quantify completely. Instead of explicit troubleshooting protocols, based on design, he must rely on a restricted set of diagnostic procedures, which rest ultimately on experience. The same is true for therapeutic procedures, most of which create further problems (side-effects), requiring further therapies (Iatrogenics).  About the only advantage the physician has is that his ?machine? can often heal itself, and can report to him where it hurts.

 

          Because of these intrinsic uncertainties, Philosophy re-enters the picture, even if one accepts the Machine Metaphor (itself, of course, a philosophy of organism). We must ask questions like ?What is health??, or equivalently, ?What is pathology??,  ?What is disease??, ?What are symptoms or syndromes??, ?What is a therapy??, ?How can we minimize or eliminate therapeutic side-effects??

 

          One can, of course, frame such questions whether or not one accepts the Machine Metaphor. But the kind of answers we come up with, or even can hope to find, differ radically if the Machine Metaphor itself is wrong. I have come to believe the latter, for many reasons. "
 
What he was saying here is not that modelling is of no value. He was saying that the way we model these systems needs to reflect the truth about what these systems are really like. If they do, we will have even more success creating cures and therapies, and less of the side effects that are currently being produced because our models are all based on a presumption of the human body's similarity to a machine. Thus, he said that reductionist approaches are not something we need to throw out when designing therapies, but DO need to be thrown out when addressing what those therapies are supposed to achieve.
 
Judith
PS: Jack, I want to express my empathy over what you're dealing with. Kick its ass! (apologies to the list for the naughty language)