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The value of Rosennean Complexity, applied...



Hi Folks,
 
I was having a discussion via email with someone on the subject of-- What do you do when Rosennean Complexity is saying that complex systems are non-computable, that all models of them are going to be incomplete, and yet your job is to make models of complex systems?
 
Apparently, some of the hostility to my father's theoretical work is due to a perception that he was saying it's a waste of time to even try to model these systems. But he didn't feel that way, AT ALL. Quite the contrary! If I can lay that misconception to rest, I will be very happy.
 
Not only did Robert Rosen believe that modeling is useful, he made extensive use of it himself. He believed it is the only way to deal with many, many different aspects of science and industry. His contention was that we need to know how the accuracy of models is affected by the truth (i.e.; Complexity) and ameliorate the disconnect-- in as many ways as we can invent, but he suggested several ways in his books and papers. The upshot of this change in approach, he believed, will be better models and better results.
 
In other words, he was attempting to prove that reductionism won't teach us what life is in the scientific sense, but that doesn't mean a reductionist approach is bad. It's only bad if one presumes that it's the ONLY approach and that everything that is outside the bounds of what you can do reductionistically is unimportant. That's all he was saying. How many subscribers on the list have been under the misapprehension that my father was suggesting that modeling a complex system is pointless? (I sure hope it wasn't very many-- My God! If the hostility to my father's work is based on this....)
 
What he was trying to point out is that Complex systems pose certain built in difficulties when it comes to modeling. He explained why and described the kinds of "deformities" or inaccuracies that ensue in the modeled version compared to the real system. His belief was that if you take these characteristics (of complex systems) into account when building your model, you can adjust for some or most; you can do things within the modeling process itself to make your model work far more accurately than one that presupposes a false premise of simplicity (which is what all reductionism has at its core).
 
There are some areas of science that will not be able to use a reductionist approach very much, if at all, and studying complexity itself is one of those. Studying the organization of complex systems (as opposed to the material parts) will require some new thinking. Otherwise, the only change in applied science that my father was advocating is a change in mindset, with creativity applied to the problem that lots of people in science are completely unaware they have. His work was in the foundations of science, albeit he never set out to do that. His intention was to be a biologist, only. It was as he realized that the tools in the tool box were inadequate for some unknown reason that he set out to reimagine the foundations of science through history.
 
Judith