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Re: Paper by Landauer and Bellman



I have cleaned up my critique of the LB paper, and have put it on my website. Comments/corrections appreciated.
http://www.panmere.com/rosen/landauer-bellman1.htm
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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Well, I finished reading this paper by Landauer and Bellman (LB). Unfortunately, as far as I am concerned, it is perhaps useful only insofar as it exemplifies ways in which a newcomer to Rosen might misunderstand him.

LB take as their point of departure the (M,R)-system model:
"We start with the description from [Essays on Life Itself] of a model of living systems, his (M,R)-systems, since it gives the clearest description of what Rosen intended to do. Then we explain the equational distinction from [Life Itself], and discuss its implications. Finally, we describe our example solutions to the equations from three areas of Mathematics, to show that equational distinction does not work."[p. 60, bold added]
 
At this point, LB have already erred. LB have mistakenly interpreted the relational mappings in the (M,R)-system diagram as equations (see bolded in quote above). They spend p. 61 describing how the "equational formulation" is wrong. They clearly do not understand the entire concept of relational models.  For example, here is their supposedly damning conclusion of this discussion:
"Since metabolism and repair change an organism, we should actually expect the function f that comes out of p(b) to be different that the one that goes into b(f) and transforms a to b, since the process is actually unfolded in time (this is the "helical" argument). This modeling approach, however, projects all of time into a single point." [p. 61]
 
That is, they argue that the specific f that is acting as the function of metabolism cannot be the same f is being output by the repair process at a given moment in time. Hence, the logic behind the model must be faulty. However, relational models are precisely atemporal representations of relations. (This is why chapter 5 of Life Itself is conspicuously entitled "Entailment Without States: Relational Biology".) Near the beginning of chapter 5, Rosen clearly states:
"On the formal side, we shall see that the inferential structure characteristic of relational biology is much richer than, and at the same time very different from, the formalisms we have considered heretofore. Our systems are assigned no states, no environments, and there is no recursion." [LI p. 109, ital. orig.]
 
This is later reiterated. After describing the basics of relational models, Rosen contrasts the relational approach with the Newtonian, state-based approach:
"In the relational approach, on the other hand, the situation is quite different. As I have developed it so far, there is no time parameter, no states, no state transition sequences.  There are only components (mappings), and the organizations, the abstract block diagrams, which can be built from them." [LI p. 134]
 
Thus, it is entirely erroneous for LB to interpret relational models, such as the (M,R)-system, as an "equational formulation".  They do not address their argument to a relational model, but instead to what they think is a set of equations. Therefore, their main argument and their main point is entirely invalid.
 
 
LB demonstrates another lack of understanding of Rosen in sec 2.6 of their paper after summarizing their main argument, when they say:
"More importantly, this [Rosen's approach] is probably not the right approach. After all, claims that complexity is non-computable contradict claims that formal systems are computable, since computability is only defined for formal systems, and cannot be proven or even properly defined for non-formal systems. There are many such confusions in the literature." [p. 65]
 Again, by misinterpreting relational models as predicative equations, LB mistakenly asserts that these models are thus computable (by virtue of being formal systems). They further suggest that Rosen is claiming that non-computability is a property of the organism, rather than of the formal model, and so Rosen must be confused, since it is rightly nonsensical to speak of computability of non-formal systems (such as organisms).  On the contrary, it is LB who is confused. Rosen is quite clear that computability criteria apply to the models, not to the organism:
"I call a material system with only computable models a simple system or mechanism. A system that is not simple in this sense, I call complex. A complex system must possess noncomputable models." [EL p. 325]
 
 
In their next section, LB spend 3 pages discussion analytic vs. synthetic models. They state at the beginning of the section that "we describe some other difficulties with the Theoretical Biology program as stated...". [p. 66] It is unclear why LB perform this exercise, since, in fact, they end up restating the same conclusion that Rosen makes in ch. 6 of Life Itself. Namely, that there are generically far more analytic models than synthetic models to a system.
 
As best I can discern, LB seem to provide this argument because they mistakenly think Rosen is arguing that a "largest model" is the universal case: that analytic models are always only the inverse of synthetic models. Nothing could be more wrong. Rosen remarks near the beginning of his chapter on analytic and synthetic models:
"In a sense, it is the thrust of this entire work that this hypothesis of analysis = synthesis must be dropped. Above all, it must be dropped if we are to do biology, and hence a fortiori, it must be dropped if we are to do physics. By dropping it, we enter a new realm of system, which I call complex, and which in certain sense needs to have no synthetic models at all. The distinction between relational and Newtonian models of natural systems will become crucial here, because as we shall see, the former extend to the realm of complex systems, while the latter cannot." [LI p. 154]
LB clearly do not realize the consequences of dropping the "analytic = synthesis" hypothesis (consequences which lead directly to Rosennean complexity), even though they (apparently unwittingly) agree with Rosen that such a hypothesis is unwarranted by purely formal considerations.
 
All in all, I find that this paper by Landauer and Bellman fails to comprehend the fundamentals of Rosen's relational modeling concepts, the import of Rosen's discussion of analytic vs. synthetic models, Rosen's use of computability criteria of models, as well as Rosen's concept of complexity. Their paper misinterprets these concepts and their arguments are directed against those misinterpretations. As such, their paper offers no legitimate argument and thus no damage to Rosen's actual concepts; but by its gross misstatements, this paper does a disservice to Rosen's work.
 
Regards,
Tim
 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Gwinn
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> To: ***
> Subject: Re: Paper by Landauer and Bellman
>
>
> It is available for purchase ($22US) from AIP at:
>
http://content.aip.org/APCPCS/v627/i1/59_1.html
>
> I am printing it out now...its 12 long pages....after I digest
> it, I'll try
> to have some comments sometime tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROSEN Forum [
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> > de Laplante
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:31 PM
> > To: ***
> > Subject: Re: Paper by Landauer and Bellman
> >
> >
> > I'd be anxious to get a hold of this myself, if it's out there.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jannie Hofmeyr" <***>
> > To: <***>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:23 PM
> > Subject: Paper by Landauer and Bellman
> >
> >
> > > Dear list-members
> > >
> > > Does anyone perhaps have a pdf of the following paper by Christopher
> > > Landauer and Kirstie Bellman?
> > >
> > > Theoretical Biology: Organisms and Mechanisms
> > > AIP Conference Proceedings Vol 627(1) pp. 59-70. September 2, 2002
> > >
> > > Abstract:
> > > The Theoretical Biology Program initiated by Robert Rosen is
> intended to
> > > identify the key theoretical characteristics of organisms, especially
> > > those that distinguish organisms from mechanisms, by looking for the
> > > proper abstractions and defining the appropriate relationships.
> > There are
> > > strong claims about the distinctions in Rosen's book "Life
> > Itself", along
> > > with some purported proofs of these assertions. Unfortunately, the
> > > Mathematics is incorrect, and the assertions remain unproven
> > (and some of
> > > them are simply false). In this paper, we present the ideas of Rosen's
> > > approach, demonstrate that his Mathematical formulations and
> proofs are
> > > wrong, and then show how they might be made more successful.
> > >
> > > Sounds like something we could discuss if we only knew where Rosen
> > > supposedly "went wrong".
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jannie
> > >