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It's always dangerous to bring "God" into discussions about
science, for many reasons. Regarding the excerpt of John K's
below:
John K. wrote:
Traditional physics allows creativity only at the beginning of
reality itself, and thus supports the division of science and theology. God had
to act, according to physics, but He acted once and then remained silent. If we
allow local creativity, then we can't get rid of God as well as was wanted back
when science and religion parted ways. So, then you have the fear of losing
science again to the creationists. But it is an unjustified fear for two
reasons. First, it is system wholeness that supports creativity, not a separate
and distant God that intervenes in systems. Second, there is no actual
incompatibility with discussing God in terms of living creative experience, and
describing a system in terms of objective events. I have used these arguments to
dismiss even the latest version of creationism, "intelligent design theory" on
the grounds that it proposes a separate intervening God rather than a systemic
one. If it is a systemic one, in our case, He is indistinguishable from us in
principle. Religion can deal with the difference between the actual and the
ideal (specific system models vs. the ultimate "best" ones or ultimately unified
one), while science works to explain what is happening in present
experience.
The aspect of this worth discussing, in my view, is the notion that
traditional physics "supports the division of science and theology"-- with the
view as stated above. I think it's the other way around. To say "God acted once
and then remained silent" is to support and reinforce the notion of
"creationism". The "big bang" theory of how the universe was created that is so
prevalent nowadays makes no sense to me and doesn't hold with the way
complexity works either. I further suggest that my father's idea (with complex
systems) that each system contains, in a sense, its own beginning is the
one scientific explanation that truly DOES allow the complete separation of
science and theology.
Judith
Judith Rosen wrote:
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