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Re: Information and Volition



Tim and all:
 
I can see that my attempted definition of my own (not my father's) idea of what constitutes information is not quite well-enough articulated! Let's see if I can tighten it up a bit...
 
My initial attempt was:
 
Anything that an organism percieves/senses/detects about itself or its environment, by whatever means, and then uses to make something happen is what I'm calling "information". 
 
Tim  asked "what does it mean to use perceived phenomena rather than to react to it?"
 
The difference is that the word "react" implies an automatic cause/effect type of relationship, such as one would find in a simple system. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Chemical reactions. Temperature reactions. Non-complexity. Environmental phenomena would not be "information" in this case-- not by the definition I'm trying to give to the word "information" here.
 
But the word "use", even if it's not done on a conscious level (in the human sense of consciousness)... that implies function. That implies a higher level of complexity than a random, automatic chemical reaction. Sensory perception in natural systems is the province of organisms. Organisms don't just react to environmental stimuli the way lesser complexity systems or simple systems do. If it's cold, an organism will do something more than molecules of water do... water reacts to cold temperatures. Organisms respond in some way. To an organism, the temperature would be one form of "information" about the environment. To a snowflake, temperature is just an environmental phenomenon that causes an automatic reaction.
 
Granted, this is semantic hair-splitting. But all communication is based on some form of this kind of definition analysis. Does that make the difference any clearer?
 
Judith

 
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Subject: Information and Volition

Information doesn't necessarily have to be in response to a "question". That would be a certain type of information, but doesn't define information itself.   
 
I draw from this:
"Roughly, in this usage [ information in a semantic sense], information consists of a possible answer to an interrogative, a question." [EL 147]
 
 
 
 
What does it mean to use a perceived phenomenon, rather than to react to it? To me, in contrast to 'react', 'use' invokes the notion of option, choice, volition.
 
My thought is that there is no option or choice without the weighing of the possible outcomes. This seems to me an inherent aspect of the internal modelling in some anticipatory systems, such as organisms. I further suggest that when there are perceived phenomena which entail a possible outcome of a "future-paced" internal model, then those perceived phenomena constitute "information" - they are perceptions that can be used in the context of a given internal model. And that, to the extent that the internal models provide a context for which that perceived phenomena becomes information, then I propose that this is the broader case of what we call a 'question' in natural language.
 
Regards,
Tim