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Re: Rashevsky's influence on Robert Rosen



Hi Judith,
 
Thanks for the clarification. I had to go back and re-read your father's comments about Rashevsky in LI and AS, and his posthumous "sketch" (his wording) of Rashevsky in the beginning of Progress in Theoretical Biology #2, and realized that I had previously read more into them than was actually there about Rashevsky's influence.
 
In my quick review, the only comment that I saw where Robert Rosen explicitly granted Rashevsky a precedence of ideas was in his "Is there a Unified Mathematical Biology?" in Foundations of Mathematical Biology Vol 3:
"We believe it was Rashevsky who first grasped that it was relational characteristics which underlie the basic intuitions which provide the very stuff of biology." [p. 386]
Of course, this may have been one of those instances where Rosen, as you say, "took great pains to give credit to Rashevsky", perhaps omitting that he had already reached a similar conclusion on his own . Certainly, although they both fell under the rubric of 'relational biology', Rashevsky's biotopological mapping and Rosen's relational approach were quite distinct, and led in very different directions.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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Subject: Rashevsky's influence on Robert Rosen

There is a fallacy in the view that Professor Rashevsky "influenced" my father into his view of "Complexity" or was the genesis of these ideas. Quite the reverse occurred.
 
Rashevsky had managed, on his own, to realize that the reductionist approach wasn't working, and try casting about for reasons why. His relational theories were groundbreaking and were different enough to be regarded as dangerously treasonous and unscientific by the "mainstream" in academia. However, when my father stumbled onto Rashevsky's office at the U. of Chicago, he had already arrived at all of those conclusions and taken it a great deal further. His decision to change his major from mathematics was motivated by the existence of a man with the vision to recognize when precious notions about the "way things are" is not compatible with the way things "really" are... and with the courage to stand up and say so. In effect, Rashevsky saved my father a good deal of time: He made it possible for my father to switch from "tool acquisition" (which was why he was in mathematics in the first place) to the "real" work. It was a very lucky set of circumstances, indeed.
 
Is there anyone on the list now who has not been sent the "Autobiographical Reminiscences" of Robert Rosen? Please email me privately and I will send you that paper, via return email. I am making that paper available to everyone, free of charge, because it is so important to understanding my father's work, his approach, and his personality. In it, I think, you will find that Rashevsky provided a "safe harbor" in which to do the work that my father set for himself, and which Rashevsky was merely aiding and abetting.  In other words, it is inaccurate to characterise Rashevsky as the "genesis" of any of my father's theoretical beliefs.
 
My father took great pains to give credit to Rashevsky for his vision and his courage, and felt that Rashevsky was given a bum deal by academia. He sought to ameliorate that by including Rashevsky's name in print as often as possible, pointing out where his friend had seen the truth before the rest of science. It would not suit my father's purposes to say whether he had come to the same conclusions first or at the same time, because it wasn't about that. He loved and respected Rashevsky, and mourned his loss. He held on to his anger at academia for the treatment of Rashevsky even more tightly than any anger he felt over his own treatment by academia.
 
It is my assessment that Robert Rosen was light years ahead of Rashevsky before he even met him. It is also my assessment that my father would have done the work he did regardless of Rashevsky's involvement. Rashevsky may be responsible for my father's willingness to write down what he was discovering, though. That, he DID influence.
 
Judith