Re: Footers to posts?

["John M" <***>]

Tim,
I just don't want to give control to the lawyers in these question.
How about good old 'honesty in publication' to tell opely, from
whom some ideas come from?
That goes even into paraphrasing - no legal loopholes in frankness.
John M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gwinn" <***>
To: <***>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Footers to posts?


> Hi JohnM et al,
>
> Good questions :)
>
> 1) As for who is the "original author" when quoting another author, I
> believe the term "original" would imply that the quoted section is
copyright
> of the author of the quote.  Perhaps if I changed it to "All applicable
> copyrights..."
> 2) I don't have a good answer.
> 3) As I wrote this initial footer version, it would restrict the quoting
of
> a post without prior permission. I doubt one can legally control
> paraphrasing. And, quoting without names is not quoting - I'd think that
its
> either plagiarism or absorbed knowledge being re-radiated.
> 4) It is grandfathered back through every thought you ever had! <G> No,
just
> kidding. I suppose one could make forum "rules" that would apply to any
and
> all posts.
>
> This is just a first pass at these footers. I searched back on a Lsoft
> listmasters support archives and found one that was similar to what I
used.
> (Did that mean I violated a copyright!!? Since it was offered by the
author
> as an example of what to use, I suspect not.)
>
> I'd like to do something, in light of the recent discussions we had about
> copyright and IP issues. I would also like to have something that at least
> somewhat absolves me, as listowner, of culpability for what someone else
> posts (hence the "...and responsibilities..."). I would like it to be
short,
> whatever it is. (I agree that they sound stuffy, no matter what.)
>
> Maybe I ought to drop the "permission" part of the statement and just have
> that be just an ettiquette thing? However, one of the big concerns by some
> was not wanting their posts quoted, cross-posted, or otherwise used
> elsewhere without consent. I just don't know how to condense that down to
a
> short phrasing.
>
> Perhaps something like:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> All responsibilities and applicable copyrights for email sent
> through ROSEN are retained by the original author.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of John M
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:42 AM
> > To: ***
> > Subject: Re: Test post - please ignore #4
> >
> >
> > Tim, you asked for it.......
> > Questions:
> > 1./ who is the "original author" when you quote Rosen?
> > 2./ we learn on this list, about ideas of RR, as well as about
> > ideas of the
> >     posters. How do you think a selection in our knowledgebase of the
> >    stuff we knew prior to reading from the stuff "in the post,
> > irrespective
> >     of the relative novelty of it to our mind"?
> > 3./ does this restrict a quoting the list or the author in any other
> > publication
> >     (internet or else)? How about paraphrasing? Without names? or at
all?
> > 4./ Is this restriction grandfathered throughout the entire life of the
> > list?
> >
> > Copyright questions are stuffy in the public domain of the
> > internet. Unless
> > signed conditions at admission to an URL. If, however, a widely
> > distributed
> > list wants to introduce copyright restrictions, they should be precisely
> > formulated complying to legal definitions (and interntaionally they are
> > different).
> > These are only 'first ideas' that came to mind. It is a widely discussed
> > problem
> > in legal circles. No uniform conclusion so far. Lagislations are
> > hapless/helpless.
> > Happy Holydays
> > John M
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Gwinn" <***>
> > To: <***>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:48 PM
> > Subject: Test post - please ignore #4
> >
> >
> > > This is a test post for some new footer messages to be attached
> > to posts.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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