Re: Footers to posts?

["Tim Gwinn" <***>]

Hi JohnM et al,

Good questions :)

1) As for who is the "original author" when quoting another author, I
believe the term "original" would imply that the quoted section is copyright
of the author of the quote.  Perhaps if I changed it to "All applicable
copyrights..."
2) I don't have a good answer.
3) As I wrote this initial footer version, it would restrict the quoting of
a post without prior permission. I doubt one can legally control
paraphrasing. And, quoting without names is not quoting - I'd think that its
either plagiarism or absorbed knowledge being re-radiated.
4) It is grandfathered back through every thought you ever had! <G> No, just
kidding. I suppose one could make forum "rules" that would apply to any and
all posts.

This is just a first pass at these footers. I searched back on a Lsoft
listmasters support archives and found one that was similar to what I used.
(Did that mean I violated a copyright!!? Since it was offered by the author
as an example of what to use, I suspect not.)

I'd like to do something, in light of the recent discussions we had about
copyright and IP issues. I would also like to have something that at least
somewhat absolves me, as listowner, of culpability for what someone else
posts (hence the "...and responsibilities..."). I would like it to be short,
whatever it is. (I agree that they sound stuffy, no matter what.)

Maybe I ought to drop the "permission" part of the statement and just have
that be just an ettiquette thing? However, one of the big concerns by some
was not wanting their posts quoted, cross-posted, or otherwise used
elsewhere without consent. I just don't know how to condense that down to a
short phrasing.

Perhaps something like:
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Regards,
Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:*** Behalf Of John M
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: ***
> Subject: Re: Test post - please ignore #4
>
>
> Tim, you asked for it.......
> Questions:
> 1./ who is the "original author" when you quote Rosen?
> 2./ we learn on this list, about ideas of RR, as well as about
> ideas of the
>     posters. How do you think a selection in our knowledgebase of the
>    stuff we knew prior to reading from the stuff "in the post,
> irrespective
>     of the relative novelty of it to our mind"?
> 3./ does this restrict a quoting the list or the author in any other
> publication
>     (internet or else)? How about paraphrasing? Without names? or at all?
> 4./ Is this restriction grandfathered throughout the entire life of the
> list?
>
> Copyright questions are stuffy in the public domain of the
> internet. Unless
> signed conditions at admission to an URL. If, however, a widely
> distributed
> list wants to introduce copyright restrictions, they should be precisely
> formulated complying to legal definitions (and interntaionally they are
> different).
> These are only 'first ideas' that came to mind. It is a widely discussed
> problem
> in legal circles. No uniform conclusion so far. Lagislations are
> hapless/helpless.
> Happy Holydays
> John M
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Gwinn" <***>
> To: <***>
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:48 PM
> Subject: Test post - please ignore #4
>
>
> > This is a test post for some new footer messages to be attached
> to posts.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
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