Re: Consciousness and death

["James N Rose" <***>]

John Mikes replied to Judith:

[Judith]
He (RR) believed consciousness is an emergent property
of complexity in the brain, that is also a new complex
system. He said that while consciousness is generated
by the mind, which is generated by the brain which is
generated by the body, ...

[John]
The second part sounds strange to me. Seemingly the body,
more than just flesh and bones, must be a natural system right
into the wholeness if it 'generates' the atemporal-aspatial mind.

John,

The idea should -not- sound strange to you, as I would
understand both your positions.  Robert's expression
can be back traced to yours exactly of 1991:

"It is acknowledgement of and response to information -
where of course info had to be identified differently from
the Shannon etc. bit craze: I identified the 'existence' as
difference and its 'accepted' form as information. I
differentiated the mere 'acceptance' from the absorption,
what may make it into knowledge. In this generalization
'Ccness' is extendable to the entire world, an anion or an
electron acknowledges a positive charge and responds to it
 - hence it has Ccness."

One tier of consciousness built upon another .. (and
comingled?; ahhh, but that's another issue, or maybe
-the- seminal topic of the past few posts on list.).

In the main, we are all reductive Causalists. Attributes
of existence being emerged from or built upon some
prior (related) foundation of form/performance.

As frame of reference, I'll only mention that I tend to
follow that trail of sentience back into the architecture
of dimensions.  But we are all looking at the same house
of consciousness in any event.

Judith wrote also this about ccs-ness:

[Judtih]
"My ultimate hope is that consciousness may be
the only part of a human life that is capable
of continuing on in some form."

Maybe the form of our biology acts as
compatible binder that a more diffused
energy (soul?) can find home within.
The body condenses and localizes the
looser energy of sentience, and allows
ego/id to congeal and enact, through
the somatics of our bodies.

If so, then something eternal could
be our inner essences.

Jamie