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Re: Nonsimulable models



Hi JohnK,
 
Good question. An example of a nonsimulable model would be the (M,R)-system (the one with the replication). More generally, any model which contains an impredicative loop (a closed loop of entailment) would be nonsimulable.
 
It is also important to distinguish between models and simulations. Quite often, there is a tendency in modern science to lump models and simulations together as if they were of the same ilk. And so what might appear at first blush to be a "simulable model" may, in fact, be a simulable simulation! Particularly once both have been converted to computer programs, the difference is hidden behind-the-scenes in the code, and not seen by those running the programs, making them difficult to distinguish.
 
Models possess a congruence of entailment structure with the object system, whereas a simulation has no such requirement - the only goal of a simulation is to mimic behavior, regardless of whether the internal workings of the simulation bear any resemblance at all to the internal workings of the object system. Another way to say it is that we can query models in order to answer questions about why a system behaves as it does; a simulation is only a kind of curve-fitting, it can perhaps show us how a system will behave, but it cannot tell anything about us why it behaves that way.
 
When a model can be converted to a program for a Turing machine, and still retain, in that programmatic form, the same congruence of entailment structure with the object system (that is, the model will still be in a congruent Modeling Relation with the object system), then it is a simulable model. Models that fit this criteria are those that are already predicative - their entailment structure can be no more elaborate than the entailment structure of a Turing machine's  plodding, next-step, algorithmic hardware.
 
If the model had a more elaborate entailment structure than the Turing-machine's hardware (i.e., the model contains impredicative loops) then turning the model into a  program would involve coding in some kinds of work-arounds of the entailment limitations of the Turing-machine, and in the process of this coding, the model's original entailment structure is altered; ergo, the resulting program is no longer in a congruent Modeling Relation with the object system and is no longer a model, but is now just a simulation.
 
I think this last paragraph shows how insidiously easily simulations can be inadvertently created instead of models in computer code: anyone who has done any amount of programming knows that converting something into code usually involves plenty of creativity and working around the limits or idiosyncrasies of the programming language or system involved. This makes it easy to inadvertently work-around such issues by also changing the original entailment structure in order to make coding easier, faster, etc. On a pragmatic level this may appear to be a case of "no harm, no foul" as long as the predictions still work out correctly, but in a very deep sense, one is then no longer doing science, they are playing at curve-fitting. I suspect it is this kind of insidious transition from model to simulation that allows "cooked-out models" to occur, just because they are no longer models but rather simulations which no longer bear any necessary correspondence of entailment to the object system and thereby are free to be altered further in a myriad of ways that have no necessary correlation to the internal workings of the object system.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
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Subject: Re: Rosen & Ashby

Hi all,

I almost feel that we're dealing with euphemisms here. I'm left wondering what is an example of a "non-simulable" model. Traditional models are all simulable, so in the common sense of "model" this would be an oxymoron. Is this referring to, for example, a mental concept we may have of a natural system that is not thus written in formal language or coded in a machine?