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Re: Time and context



Hi Judith,
 
I don't know if I could see time as being an actual quality. But, to be honest, what keeps bothering me about my definition  is that it involves the use of the term "changes", and I am concerned that this may involve circularity in the definition. Can one speak of "change" without some (hidden) reference to time or temporality?
 
I suppose we can use the language of FM and AS, and speak of "change" as simply being the case where there are at least two measurements and whose respective values are in different equivalence classes. But we actually mean by "two measurements" to really be "two temporally sequential measurements". -sigh-
 
Is this unavoidably a circularity? Perhaps not.  Or perhaps it may be that such circularity is unavoidable. I have not yet thought it through satisfactorily.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEN Forum [mailto:***On Behalf Of Judith Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:00 PM
To: ***
Subject: Time and context

 
Tim et al,
 
Right, that's what I thought, Tim. But whereas you see time as an "observer-imposed relation", I see it as an actual quality or force that is one of the ingredients of all matter. I think time has an essence that can be figured out and understood by science, in the same way that life can. I think time behaves differently in relationships with different systems, such that complexity intensifies the effects. The more complex a system is, the more it's relationship with time is intensified. I wonder whether perhaps one of the reasons living systems have behaviors so different from non-living ones is partly due to this intensification. Just one more thing I'd love to discuss with my father, you know?
 
Judith
From: Tim Gwinn
To: ***
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ROSEN] Time and context

Hi Judith,
 
I think we are indeed each looking of time in somewhat different ways. As do you, I do not think time is "merely a figment of collective human imagination". Not entirely, anyway. To me, time is the observer-imposed relation of changes in some physical clock system as a reference system to changes in some physical system under study.