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Re: Levels of Rosennean Complexity



Judith,
 
In regards to Level 3, and the question of those systems having anticipatory behavior or not, the General Introduction of AS provides a bit of help. There he did note that social systems do have anticipatory behavior insofar as those social systems make policy (based on some model) in the present for future situations (p. 6). I'm not sure one can say this is universally true: there may be social systems (i.e., "mobs") that are purely reactive. I suppose if we consider "social system" to refer only to those systems which have some concern with the welfare (in the most general sense) of the group, then all those systems would, I think, have anticipatory behavior.
 
I do not see weather systems as having anticipatory behavior.
 
As for ecosystems, I would be inclined to think that the ecosystem - as a whole - does not have anticipatory behavior. However, the biological organisms within the ecosystem would certainly each have anticipatory behavior. And perhaps it is by virtue of all those organisms anticipatory behavior that the ecosystem as a whole gains some (or even most) of its stability.
 
In this sense, one might say that the organisms inhabiting an ecosystem "cultivate" that ecosystem. They would do so by virtue of the totality of the predictive models behind all their collective anticipatory behavior. Each organism's predictive model may, in some sense, take into account portions of the predicted behavior of other organisms which may affect it. In this way, the predictive models of various kinds of organisms would "interlock" to some extent. (Of course, this kind of "interlocking" would be indirect - the models have no direct linkage to each other.) This is, I think, a way of describing a kind of "cooperation" and is somewhat similar to the description of "symbiosis" that he gives in the chapter 'Cooperation and Chimera' in EL.
 
Regards,
Tim
 
 
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Subject: Levels of Rosennean Complexity

 
This is the set of levels of complexity that I wrote for a book, titled "Mind Over Matter", that I worked on with my father's intellectual supervision. It was intended to be a book translating his basic core theoretical concepts, and how they fit together in a framework, into plain English. My reason for doing it was that the language he used in his books was/is so far beyond any ordinary person's ability to decipher that the ideas aren't accessible to many of the people who could apply them constructively. Particularly social science and medicine, in my mind, are two areas of human thought that desperately need the insights my father was generating in biology, but his books were hard even for many biologists to decipher!  A medical doctor or a human behaviorist, for example, would look at one of his books and decide it wasn't useful for their area of expertise, and they would be so wrong! But it is an inescapable fact that, in his books, my father used extensive mathematical notation for the examples of what he's describing. When he verbally explained his ideas to me, he used entirely different examples and his work was perfectly comprehensible to this non-scientist, non-mathematician. I said, "How come you don't just write it like that?". He said, "Well, I write as if I'm talking to myself. The stuff I write makes perfect sense to me." "Great, Dad. What about the rest of us?" The truth is, he really didn't even think about making his work accessible to readers at all. His only duty, as you saw in his "Autobiographical Reminiscences" was to "report". So he did, and then moved on to the next area of the frameword that he felt required his further thought or development. The way he reported was not relevant, in his opinion.
 
Anyway, this was just a preliminary list, and very rough, because I never did finish that manuscript. But my father read this list and ultimately said it was acceptable. If he had felt I was going in the wrong direction, he would have pointed it out, explained why, and worked with me on the way it should go. Some people may believe that he let "errors" in this list go because he was an indulgent and loving father (which he was, indeed), but I can tell you from experience that, where his work was concerned, he didn't stop explaining it unless I got it right. His work was too important for him to leave, unchallenged, any gross misunderstandings. And this was in print, mind you, where he could have gone over it with a red pen if he needed to. He didn't make a single mark or point to any of these levels. His only comment, after telling me I got it right, was to muse that he had never even thought about categorizing the levels of complexity. But then he shrugged and said that it wasn't what he was interested in. It was the kind of thing he would leave for other people to do if they wanted to. So, I did.
 
REGARDING ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY
A Rudimentary Catalogue of Levels of Robert Rosen's Complexity,
Copyright, Judith Rosen
 
Level One
The systems in this group are not alive and are not complex.  These are simple systems; they are both computable and simulable. There may be different categories of simplicity... but this list isn't about that. These simple systems may or may not have complex systems incorporated in them as components, like the atom (see Level Two) but these systems, themselves, are not  defined as "complex" based on their own organization. One example would be a car engine. 
 
Level Two
Systems in Level Two are complex; in other words, they satisfy the requirements for definition as a complex system according to Robert
Rosen's theoretical framework. But they are not alive and do not have other complex systems as components. An example: the atom. Atoms are the first level of Rosennean Complexity, as far as is currently known. These systems satisfy the requirements for definition as a complex system according to Robert Rosen's theoretical framework.
 
Level Three
This is a huge group, with many possible subdivisions but they all share certain crucial aspects of organization. Systems in this level are still not alive, but are more complex than atoms by virtue of having other complex systems as "parts or components" along with simple systems. They can even have, in their organization, higher levels of complex systems (ie: organisms) as some of their "parts". This group includes global weather, ecosystems and social systems. (Note: I didn't ask my father, but I suspect that systems in this group lack an "anticipatory model" as part of their organization. That would be an interesting area, in my opinion, for discussion here.)
 
Level Four
Life! Here we have single-celled organisms. "Life is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex system", according to Robert Rosen. In this level of complexity, systems exhibit the qualities that satisfy the Rosennean definition of living systems.(Note: All systems at higher levels of complexity than this are also living.)  In these systems, there is already an anticipatory model inherent in the organization of each system, which acts as a "brain" for the organism. Examples, which may need to be subdivided further, would include algae, bacteria, protozoa, yeasts, and so forth. (Caveat: Viruses may need to be categorized in an earlier subgroup separate from the rest, because they are not quite "alive" by themselves yet have the potential to achieve life when certain necessary aspects to their organization are provided, such as by a host organism.)
 
Level Five
This level is comprised of multicellular living systems that do not have a central nervous system or brain, only their internal anticipatory model to guide them. Example: Multicellular plants.
 
Level Six
The systems in this level are multicellular living systems that have a rudimentary brain and central nervous system. The brain in these organisms is purely sensory and motor processing. The anticipatory model is still the guiding force of these organisms. One example: worms.
 
Level Seven
Multicellular organisms with more advanced brain development. These organisms are capable of learning and can use their brains to adapt to surprise developments in their environments as a survival tactic. [This is a huge group that could benefit from further subdivision but I don't have the expertise necessary to do the dividing myself.] Insects such as bees, and other creatures like birds, mammals, fish, octopi, all fit within this group. This group displays the quality of Intelligence. Intelligence seems to be another feature of increasing complexity within the brain.
 
Level Eight
Multicellular organisms with brains of sufficient complexity to achieve consciousness. Robert Rosen described consciousness as an emergent property of a sufficiently complex brain. (Note: He has written extensively about the difference between the physical organ, referred to as the brain, and the entity generated by it, referred to as the mind.) Organisms in this group have achieved the ability to think abstractly and apply that ability in the material world. Some might argue that human beings are the only organism in this level of Rosennean Complexity. [I tend, based on my observation of our species, to disbelieve that, however!] The ability to conceive an idea and then create it as a real object is unique to this level of complexity. Intelligence, consciousness, and the talent of abstract thinking combine to create..... what? Perhaps the next level of complexity?
 
Level Nine
As far as we currently know, there is nothing beyond Level Eight. However, the power of abstract thought leads us to speculate that it is likely there are infinite levels.
 
 
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